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Re:Ubiquiti adds phone-home to the access point firmware by hackmiester on Sunday November 03, 2019 @04:28AM (#21432943)
RouterOS is basically designed for network engineers. From our perspective, NAT loopback is extremely complex and has many implications, which RouterOS doesn't hide from you. And we typically don't run a VPN concentrator on the same device as a router. I think it's just a matter of different practices in different industries.

ETA:

> What's even worse - the defaults are all wrong.

There is a new-ish thing in the web UI called "QuickSet" for these use cases.

Re:Ubiquiti adds phone-home to the access point firmware by stiray on Sunday November 03, 2019 @04:41AM (#21432982)
I agree. Mikrotik has great devices but they are great if you can cope with them. Imagine as getting Cisco Catalyst and then complaining it is not as good as Ubiquiti due to the sheer number of options. It just doesnt work that way, there is equipment for the masses which is "good enough" and the other side where you can tacle everything in transmission but you need to know what you are doing.

Anyway, I wouldnt recomend ubiquiti as replacement for microtik. It is just too complex for most home users and even technical users (on the other side I wouldnt use ubiquity even if it is a giveaway).

Re:Ubiquiti adds phone-home to the access point firmware by yardie on Sunday November 03, 2019 @08:06AM (#21433638)
Honest question. What is the market for Mikrotik? I’ve only seen them in use at home by enthusiasts and a few SMBs trying to maximize bang for buck. There offerings just don’t seem very enterprisy.
Re:Ubiquiti adds phone-home to the access point firmware by godzillabrennus on Sunday November 03, 2019 @08:39AM (#21433802)
Having had the displeasure of managing a network for a company that installed about 40 mikrotik switches behind a mikrotik firewall, I can safely say they belong in a small business with max 1 or 2 at a time.

Managing more than that is crazy with the current software. Not to mention these are some of the cheapest and lowest build quality switches you will find with these insanely powerful features.

Unifi switches are a materially better build quality.

If you want great carrier grade look at Arista. You can even score a 10Gbit 48 port Arista switch off eBay used for about $700 last I checked.

Re:Ubiquiti adds phone-home to the access point firmware by bluedino on Sunday November 03, 2019 @10:15AM (#21434304)
Quite popular in the WISP market
Re:Ubiquiti adds phone-home to the access point firmware by dboreham on Sunday November 03, 2019 @11:57AM (#21435009)
Lower tier ISPs.
Re:Ubiquiti adds phone-home to the access point firmware by izacus on Sunday November 03, 2019 @04:34AM (#21432964)
Yes, I fully understand that it was built for company admins to have fun and cover their use-cases.

But unfortunately I constantly see those admins recommend them for prosumer, unmanaged small business and home use-cases. In those cases they're horrible to manage and lack features users expect.

Re:Ubiquiti adds phone-home to the access point firmware by stiray on Sunday November 03, 2019 @05:01AM (#21433040)
What features? I have heard a lot of complaining over mikrotik, but lack of features was typically not one of them.
Re:Ubiquiti adds phone-home to the access point firmware by milankragujevic on Sunday November 03, 2019 @05:23AM (#21433104)
An easy to use, user friendly WebUI is a feature. The only part of that MikroTik has is WebFig, which is neither easy to use nor user friendly.
Re:Ubiquiti adds phone-home to the access point firmware by mopsi on Sunday November 03, 2019 @08:17AM (#21433685)
Everyone uses either CLI or WinBox GUI app, which is excellent. https://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Manual:Winbox#Work_Area_and_c...
Re:Ubiquiti adds phone-home to the access point firmware by milankragujevic on Sunday November 03, 2019 @09:14AM (#21433968)
Which is covered by

>horrible to manage and lack features users expect

Users expect WebUIs, and WebFig is horrible to manage.

Re:Ubiquiti adds phone-home to the access point firmware by mopsi on Sunday November 03, 2019 @10:11AM (#21434274)
Users expected faster horses, got cars. WinBox is so much better than any web UI I've ever seen, didn't know I wanted it before I had it.
Re:Ubiquiti adds phone-home to the access point firmware by milankragujevic on Sunday November 03, 2019 @10:39AM (#21434467)
1. WinBox only works on Windows. 2. Android version of WinBox is buggy and also only works on Android 3. It may be better if you have expertise in network administration and know RouterOS inside and out. Most people who buy Ubiquiti gear do not, but their needs aren't met by regular consumer routers which do not allow any kind of "prosumer" settings.

MikroTik may well be better for you (I used it for 5km PTP links, but that's because it's cheap, if I had the budget I would've gotten LiteBeam or AirGrid), but that doesn't imply it's a suitable replacement for everyone. And it is most certainly not a suitable replacement of airOS for most people who use airOS.