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Re:The “Talk” by Filligree on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:03PM (#21379691)
It was indeed a good educational comic, but if you're reading between the lines you're still probably getting things wrong. And there aren't a lot of lines, so if you aren't reading between the lines you aren't getting a lot, period. Probably the best thing to take away is what you don't know.

Scott Aaronson is one of the best in the field, though.

Re:The “Talk” by mikestew on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:25PM (#21379961)
The parallels between Zen Buddhism and quantum anything has been striking to me lately. Not in every way, duh. But mainly "your classical concepts aren't going to work here" and "you nod your head, but you don't really get it yet." But perhaps the biggest parallel is that a lot of people, maybe most, get it way, way wrong starting out.
Re:The “Talk” by dkarl on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:38PM (#21380094)
The comic kind of pokes fun at such parallels, especially in the final panel ("Quantum computing and consciousness are both weird and therefore equivalent,") but I think it's a common experience, and quantum physics in general becomes the canonical example because everybody has the same experience with it. Whereas with many other examples, two people might find different things intuitive or counter-intuitive, depending on their path to the subject. I've even seen a professor confuse an entire classroom by describing something as "counterintuitive" when it was completely straightforward from the perspective they had been taught the previous semester. Quantum mechanics can serve as the byword for needing to absorb an entirely new and counterintuitive set of concepts because everyone experiences it that way.
Re:The “Talk” by Viliam1234 on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @05:47PM (#21392440)
Many years ago, people believed that "magnetism" is the answer for mysteries of life and soul. These days, magnets are considered boring, so people updated to "quantum".

Tomorrow... will it be string theory? The true secret of the soul is without any doubt hidden in the 13th dimension.

Re:The “Talk” by NoodleIncident on Monday October 28, 2019 @06:17PM (#21382321)
> "Quantum computing and consciousness are both weird and therefore equivalent,"

You call this "poking fun", but it's horrifyingly real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mind

Re:The “Talk” by mumblemumble on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:41PM (#21380131)
Hmm. I'm no physicist, but I'm a (lapsed) member of a Soto community, and once upon a time my best friend was working on a quantum computing project and occasionally tried to explain his work to me over cocktails. I think I see where you're going there - any attempt at a popular explanation seems doomed to failure. There's no real Cliff's Notes version, you just need to keep grinding through the work (staring at a wall on the one hand, staring at a chalkboard hanging from a wall on the other), and eventually it starts to make intuitive sense just through repeated exposure.

Now it's starting to sound a bit like learning a new language, too. Stuff that tries to make it easy and approachable and bite-size like Duolingo just never seems to do the job; the success stories I know of (including my own) always involve accepting that it's going to be unpleasant and confusing for a while, keeping your nose against that grindstone, and giving your brain some time to rewire itself.

That said, knowing physics, someone out there has already read this and interpreted it in some Chopraesque way that I can't even anticipate, and someone else is probably getting ready to downvote in reaction to some other Chopraesque interpretation I failed to read into my own words, so I probably should keep my mouth shut instead of posting. People get (understandably) twitchy about this topic.

But, effit, I'm going to anyway. The only practical characteristic of HN karma is its combustibility.

Re:The “Talk” by jrochkind1 on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:11PM (#21381724)
What's a Soto community? No luck googling.
Re:The “Talk” by mumblemumble on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:29PM (#21381909)
Soto is one of the major sects of Zen.
Re:The “Talk” by elec3647 on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @08:54AM (#21386539)
Sounds like you’re describing a cult! Haha.
Re:The “Talk” by aj7 on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:39PM (#21380104)
First, do a couple of problems in elementary quantum mechanics. Then, see if still “strikes you lately.”
Re:The “Talk” by mikestew on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:44PM (#21380152)
That's unlikely to happen. Was there a point you were driving at?
Re:The “Talk” by mkl on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:32PM (#21381336)
Your comment seems like the kind of problem the comic is arguing against. To paraphrase the final panel: "Quantum computing and Zen Buddhism are easy to get completely wrong and therefore equivalent."
Re:The “Talk” by mikestew on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:47PM (#21382069)
Umm, no, that's not where I was going at all. But I guess I could see how it might be taken that way with a little squinting.
Re:The “Talk” by empath75 on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:30PM (#21381312)
Quantum mechanics is just math, and it’s possible to work the equations and get valid results even if you haven’t the slightest understanding of what any of it means. There’s no such parallel with Buddhism.