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Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by zamalek on Monday October 28, 2019 @01:59PM (#21379642)
If you own a Fitbit (I do), it's great news. Fitbit have done an unmatched job of destroying the device already. I was honestly considering buying a different device already.

They don't support Spotify, or really any music app except the one (which I don't remember). Their subscription service provides no real value at all. Their devices track heart rate and nothing else. They simply don't innovate at all.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by insulanus on Monday October 28, 2019 @03:05PM (#21380365)
Oh man.

I'm definitely on both sides of the fence.

After Fitbit bought Pebble, they made the ecosystem poorer. The Pebble tech team was stronger than the team that absorbed them.

Fitbit customer service is excellent, but their warranty is bad, and their build quality seems poor.

My Fitbit Ionic (about $300) stopped working one month after the 12 month warranty ran out, and they offered me a 20% discount on my next purchase. They haven't lit up the SiO2 sensor on the Ionic after (3?) years.

Google is great at a lot of things, but how invested are they in being a supplier of a niche, always connected device that collects personal data every second of the ...

Wait a second! Things might be looking up for Fitbit devices! (But maybe not the users)

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by jjoonathan on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:45PM (#21381447)
> My Fitbit Ionic (about $300) stopped working one month after the 12 month warranty ran out

My Fitbit Ionic stopped working 6 months into the 12 month warranty and they flaked on the warranty anyway.

Many Ionics were secretly sold without the manufacturer's warranty.

The problem turned out to be a shorted capacitor. My secretly-warranty-less ionic was sold during the Great Capacitor Shortage. Coincidence? Maybe. I doubt we'll ever know.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/tpQ8CmtaZjJGCEUo6

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by mcnichol on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:02PM (#21381629)
That was a fantastic little run-through on your teardown and repair of the ionic.

Do you make videos/streams of your work? Would love to watch.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by jjoonathan on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:25PM (#21381879)
No, but maybe that's something to think about :)
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by wrkronmiller on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:58PM (#21381586)
How can a device be sold to an end-user without a warranty? Was the device sold by a third party or something?
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by jjoonathan on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:17PM (#21381781)
Yep, I bought it new in a sealed box from an Amazon third party store with prime shipping a week or two after product launch.

Fitbit said they "had" to refuse my warranty on account of having purchased the watch from an "unauthorized re-seller" because of clones, but their software already checks serial numbers for duplicates and rejects clones, so that sounds like an excuse.

Incidentally, my next watch was a Garmin, and while I tried to buy it from the official Garmin store on Amazon I found a 3rd party store on the receipt, so I contacted Garmin and ask them if this would invalidate my warranty. They said it would not. They made good on that promise two weeks ago when a fatigue crack showed up in the plastic frame.

tl;dr Fuck Fitbit, Go Garmin!

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by abawany on Tuesday October 29, 2019 @12:50AM (#21384321)
Another vote for Garmin warranty: my strap catch broke (the little loop that holds the long end of the strap down). I chatted online with them and they shipped me the 50c catch in what appeared to be a large box that must have cost at least $4 to ship. A bit overkill but that's how you retain customers I guess.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by e40 on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:32PM (#21381332)
A friend, who got me interested in the devices, had the same issue. His died. Mine, I stopped using, when it detected I was asleep for 3 hours one night and I was definitely up and using my phone for the entire time. The only reason I got it was to monitor my sleep. It is apparently useless for that.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by sakopov on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:04PM (#21379703)
I haven't used Fitbit since the first iteration of the product, but why would you want Spotify on a device that tracks your fitness level?
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by zeta0134 on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:11PM (#21379786)
I do not own a Fitbit, but on my older Pebble, the music integration feature allows me to play/pause the music, switch tracks (to skip that one song in the playlist I should really remember to remove), and adjust the volume.

When I'm working out or doing yardwork, it's handy to have access to these things on my wristwatch rather than trying to fiddle with the phone in my pocket. It's sounds like the most minor convenience, but I use it all the time. If that were to be limited to only a tiny number of apps (and not the Android bluetooth thing, which picks up whatever happens to be playing; usually VLC in my case, sometimes Spotify) it would be a lot less useful.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by wlesieutre on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:54PM (#21380251)
I used to have a Pebble and being able to do music control with hardware buttons was great.

I could push those buttons through my coat sleeve while wearing gloves.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by seltzered_ on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:10PM (#21381709)
I still use a pebble 2 se, and notably the pairing of music controls and shortcuts is amazing. Without having to look at the screen, sleeves still covering the device, you can:

- Hit the back button a couple times to make sure I'm back on the watchface/home screen

- Hold down a button to shortcut into an app (e.g. music controls, music boss)

- Play/pause, control volume, go forwards/backwards (or 30sec skip in some podcast apps).

Hoping I can continue to use the device. Have any competitors come close in matching pebble's button UX?

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by wlesieutre on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:17PM (#21381780)
Yeah I had press and hold on the lower button to launch music app, then IIRC the same button was skip track (or hold to fast forward).

I like my Apple Watch too, but I miss the hardware buttons and being able to do stuff without looking at it.

Apple's take is that I should talk to Siri instead of using buttons, but the 8 year wait for them to support 3rd party audio apps kept me from building any habits with that. I'll probably get used to it.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by aerique on Monday October 28, 2019 @03:07PM (#21380393)
Such a loss.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by wlesieutre on Monday October 28, 2019 @03:24PM (#21380573)
I wonder how technology development would be different if the people designing it lived somewhere with weather
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by alttab on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:55PM (#21380260)
I'm wearing my Pebble right now. I love this thing.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by darkarmani on Monday October 28, 2019 @07:00PM (#21382677)
I'm still using the original pebble. Unfortunately, i'm getting hit by the screen tearing problem and it is so old that i can't even open it to fix the problem.

I don't want a watch that i have to charge daily, or i'll take it off and end up never putting it back on. I've been thinking of buying up some refurbished old pebbles as they have the exact features I want without the downsides of ALL of the newer watches/fitbands.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by amatecha on Monday October 28, 2019 @08:28PM (#21383230)
In what way can you not open it? Are the torx screws stripped? I did the "display shim" fix a couple times and it worked very well, but indeed it does rely on opening the case and putting it back together...
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by ch4ch4 on Monday October 28, 2019 @08:55PM (#21383362)
The display shim fix worked for me too! But the watch only costs $20 on eBay anyway, so next time I'll probably just buy another one.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by darkarmani on Wednesday November 06, 2019 @05:59PM (#21468522)
I don't have any torx screws. I think the whole thing is glued together.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by neves on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:02PM (#21381003)
I think any bluetooth headphone can do this. That's why the fitness trackers don't implement it.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by darkarmani on Monday October 28, 2019 @06:58PM (#21382666)
So my bluetooth speakers are blasting while i work out. I don't need headphones with controls. My pebble can control the music without a problem.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by obmelvin on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:27PM (#21381258)
The GP is talking about using the fitbit device as the source of music
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by kylemuir on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:08PM (#21379759)
When I was big into running I wanted a smart watch that could play my music and connect to my headphones without needing to take my bulky phone with me

Other reasons for wanting spotify is a remote control. When I had my pebble and my phone was in my pocket I'd often use it to skip songs, drop the volume a bit, etc without having to pull out my phone each time

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by verst on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:10PM (#21379775)
I'm a marathoner and need to go on long training runs. My Garmin running Watch has music (Spotify) which I can play via Bluetooth.

I don't want to carry around a phone during prolonged vigorous exercise.

Spotify integration makes a lot of sense for fitness watches.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by megaremote on Monday October 28, 2019 @06:47PM (#21382586)
> I'm a marathoner

Ok, but listening to music is cheating.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by verst on Monday October 28, 2019 @08:39PM (#21383288)
It isn't. And I only listen to music during training not races
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by seansmccullough on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:09PM (#21379766)
It's really nice to listen to music while running without your phone with an Apple Watch, it would be a really compelling feature for Fitbit to also support this functionality.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by Alupis on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:21PM (#21381196)
Also Fitbit still doesn't have support for chest-strap heart rate monitors!

They said a long way back they were looking into releasing their own - fine. But still no chest-strap!

Chest-strap is required for serious (and safe) training near your peak heart rate - and it's a ton more accurate for regular exercise too.

All the other fitness watches support pretty much any chest-strap you can buy. They've standardized... but not Fitbit.

Not to mention you still can't export exercise data out of Fitbit. Some apps can send data into Fitbit... but good luck getting things out.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by jschwartzi on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:52PM (#21381526)
Fitbit isn't really made for serious fitness enthusiasts. If you look at its feature set and design, it's trying to give the average person a way to get data about how fit they are in the range between not fit and average. The sleep tracking, water tracking, automatic workout tracking, and other simple features are more for the average person than for a marathon runner. So it doesn't surprise me that they don't support chest straps because most people don't want to do zone training, they just want to know whether they're getting exercise that will EG condition their heart.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by Alupis on Monday October 28, 2019 @05:13PM (#21381746)
The problem is, you get a Fitbit as a casual person just getting into exercise - and before you know it, you've outgrown Fitbit!

That's not a great business model. They should have devices that either scale with you, or different models with feature-sets that target different ranges of users.

The people that are active and stick with fitness tracking are exactly the ones that are most likely to purchase new devices over time - either as replacements or upgrades. Instead, they switch to Garmin or some other more "serious" fitness tracker. That's a crying shame for Fitbit... the original fitness tracker.

Supporting chest-straps, or selling their own chest-strap, doesn't mean a casual users needs to buy one. But it does mean a growing serious fitness enthusiast can continue to use Fitbit, buying new devices over time.

From my experience, Fitbit still has the most polished App. It's a darn shame you can't get more out of Fitbit devices though.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by dkonofalski on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:23PM (#21379942)
As someone who has owned multiple Fitbit devices that all stopped working within the first year, good riddance. The only thing that's still working is our Aria scale and that's basically worthless now that Fitbit holds that data hostage and you need to use third party apps to sync it with anything useful (like MyFitnessPal, Apple Health, or anything else).
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by breck on Monday October 28, 2019 @02:27PM (#21379985)
This isn’t correct. Their devices track sleep (amongst other things beyond heart rate), which IMO is the #1 killer app.

I have a Versa 2. They support Pandora.

I have not tried the subscription yet but plan to.

I definitely would like more innovation too, but IMO it’s still the best in class. I switched from the Band after MS discontinued. I had (and returned) an Apple Watch because of lack of good sleep tracking.

Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by JakeTheAndroid on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:35PM (#21381354)
Yeah, sleep tracking is really the only thing I use mine for to get a decent idea of my cycles and at least understand how long I was sleeping. It's not perfect, but for the price and form factor it's doing an amazing job.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by burnte on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:27PM (#21381266)
Spotify literally comes preinstalled on the Versa 2.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by JMTQp8lwXL on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:18PM (#21381168)
My fitbit stopped charging 3 months after I bought it. It's been collecting dust in the drawer since.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by criddell on Monday October 28, 2019 @07:05PM (#21382730)
I gave up on Fitbit after they made it clear that they won't let users put their data into Apple Health.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by PopeDotNinja on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:18PM (#21381160)
Why would one connect a FitBit to Spotify? Honest question.
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by snazz on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:56PM (#21381569)
Nearly all other products competing in the “smart watch” category allow you to use the watch as a music source for wireless earbuds. It’s a very nice feature if you’re doing some activity where bringing your phone is impractical (like running).
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by RandomBacon on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:52PM (#21381532)
Listen to music with a tempo that matches your workout (heartbeat).
Re:Alphabet in bid to buy Fitbit by tus88 on Monday October 28, 2019 @04:37PM (#21381370)
So why is it great if Google destroys it even further? If only by eradicating what privacy you might have left on the device.