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Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by omarhaneef on Sunday October 27, 2019 @08:06AM (#21369199)
Without going back in time, one has the impression that people didn’t “see” a particular technology coming. You’ll hear people claim that a particular CEO didn’t see the web, or mobile, or VoIP and other technologies rising.

But when you go back and read their work or view their videos — like this one — it’s remarkable how clear and detailed their vision is of how things will be.

Jobs is famous for this so you might think it’s a cherry picked example but I think it’s largely true (no doubt you’ll find an exception) of almost any big time tech executive. They have a clear, detailed, largely accurate view of how things will turn out.

Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by Roritharr on Sunday October 27, 2019 @08:28AM (#21369295)
I find this to be true at many levels. I'd even say that getting it wrong is rather the exception at that level, although there are of course the famous quotes where basically details were misjudged.

I notice it in our industry (Accounting Software) a lot. All players, when talking to them on a C-Level basically know where the puck is going, but the capability to move the company there is for various reasons extremely different.

This doesn't just mean that small agile startups have the advantage, there are also lots of moats and synergy requirements that can restrict new entrants of reaching the level necessary to perform at the expected level in the future.

Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by theferalrobot on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:16AM (#21369503)
As an aside and for my own curiosity, where do you think accounting software is going in the future? (It isn't my industry but I hear occasional mentions of it more frequently than I would expect)
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by Roritharr on Sunday October 27, 2019 @05:09PM (#21372420)
Lot's of vertical integration & automation, with the depth depending on business size.

There are only a couple of "ground truth streams" flowing into a businesses accounting. Making sure you own as many as possible of them goes a long way towards automating the tasks necessary to properly model the business and do the accounting.

I was referring to the entry barriers here because being able to offer for example a business bank account, credit card etc. with proper APIs to trigger payments and receive transactions in realtime still carriers regulatory hurdles in most countries that are not negligible, even if it got cheaper in most countries. Same goes for loans, factoring...

Lot's of areas to earn money with, pretty much everyone in that space has it in their slidedeck as a revenue channel somewhere down the road.

I could further elaborate but at the end of the day it's moving offtopic.

I'd say predicting the future is less hard than arriving there.

Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by enjoy-your-stay on Sunday October 27, 2019 @06:16PM (#21372780)
>when talking to them on a C-Level basically know where the puck is going

I believe that's largely because they spend a lot of time listening to their customers, understanding their needs and sifting through the trends in their businesses.

What's harder though, is inventing the future. Apple I believe did it in some ways with the original Mac, iPhone and iPad, and Tesla are now doing it with their cars.

Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by omarhaneef on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:53AM (#21369686)
Yes, I agree with this comment in it’s entirety, and I did imply — but didn’t mean to - that only top executives have this foresight.
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by mrmonkeyman on Sunday October 27, 2019 @10:25AM (#21369869)
How is this remotely true?

Lots of C's were very, very wrong about the future.

Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by copperx on Sunday October 27, 2019 @04:19PM (#21372116)
I'm curious about where the puck is going in accounting software. Can you expound on that?
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by delinka on Sunday October 27, 2019 @10:10AM (#21369777)
My sibling comments seem to all want to attribute this foresight to Jobs alone. Jobs had an organization of designers and engineers informing him. Not only informing, but collaborating. He’d express a vision, others would help shape and hone based on existing tech, or based on how they could build new tech, and eventually Jobs would present the vision and solution publicly.

And Jobs would take credit. And the process probably didn’t feel collaborative to the other employees. My point is that Jobs didn’t come up with these things all on his own. Other employees were heavily involved.

Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by davidy123 on Sunday October 27, 2019 @10:53AM (#21370074)
"Great artists steal." Jobs identified an overall vision that was something like "to sell great technology." This later became refined into something that was a little "different" as Apple latched onto the "better alternative" image when confronted with clone PCs.

Jobs was always on the lookout for selling points, the "one more thing." But the impact of objects as a selling point through NeXT and WebObjects on Apple's consumer-focused tech is only skin deep, because creating a comprehensive system would have taken much longer, but it was enough for Jobs to impress people, and provide an essence of an advantage. This was clear in at least early versions of OSX (I haven't used OSX for years), where drag and drop between identifiable objects worked… sometimes. The remaining functionality would have been much harder to achieve, and would have meant something really significant was being built, rather than what became a current generational marketing push. The idea of an object oriented system isn't talked about much anymore, and Apple really focuses on Raskins' ideas for interface, which aren't really compatible since it focuses on one object at a time, rather than a system of objects.

Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by azinman2 on Sunday October 27, 2019 @03:24PM (#21371814)
As CS people who love uniformity and abstraction, this idea of objects everywhere is very appealing. But concretely, what actually are you restricted from doing today? I question the tangible executions of this into a variety of everyday examples versus one or two talking points.
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by davidy123 on Monday October 28, 2019 @08:46AM (#21376358)
Being able to easily use the data from one application in another. Being able to learn one set of digital tools and apply them to nearly any task (copy and paste being an example). I don't think you have to be a basement dweller to see benefits from these, and there are others.
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by azinman2 on Monday October 28, 2019 @01:43PM (#21379434)
Ad hominem aside, can we dig in to this? What application data are you want it to put into something else and you currently can’t? All major office suites already let you embed between their apps, so what non-office suite task are you trying to accomplish? And once you’ve done it, how do you figure you’re supposed to interact with it? Does the native application UI now need to morph to this unrelated object?

We’ve had object technologies before in mainstream environments (OpenDoc, COM), and yet they’re effectively dead today. They were very complex, and the main pathways can be explicitly supported with better UX when the target apps are written with what’s supported in mind.

Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by Aloha on Sunday October 27, 2019 @02:50PM (#21371646)
Jobs used a very Walt Disney like approach, he was always plussing, and looking for a weenie in the products he worked on.
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by holoduke on Sunday October 27, 2019 @10:13AM (#21369795)
That's with virtually every thing in the world. It's never a true single man show. The great thing about jobs and similar people is that they can effectively let people work together with all having a common shared belief.
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by Austin_Conlon on Sunday October 27, 2019 @10:17AM (#21369818)
Jobs on several occasions ended keynotes by mentioning the various teams and leaders involved in the announced products. I do see though the perception of it being a one man show, as he spent so much of the time presenting.
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by trixie_ on Sunday October 27, 2019 @01:58PM (#21371309)
No one thinks Jobs or Musk comes up with all the ideas, or 'takes credit' for others work.

They are the figureheads of their respective companies. And just as the engineer builds the product, their job is to sell it. You'd be lucky to work for a company with people at the top as persuasive as Jobs or Musk.

Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by andrekandre on Sunday October 27, 2019 @04:06PM (#21372034)
i’m not so sure... to people in industry that’s probably true, but to the average person/consumer, i would say that’s probably a different story...
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by Hoasi on Sunday October 27, 2019 @06:13PM (#21372769)
> but to the average person/consumer, i would say that’s probably a different story...

Not really, people are not stupid. They can see through that.

Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by fraggle222 on Sunday October 27, 2019 @11:50AM (#21370478)
Is this foresight a function of the CEO themselves or more of being in that position (ceo of a technology company). In other words, being in that role you have time and resources to think about "what is next?" also this is somewhat expected from the board and investors.

How much of their insight comes from others (eg. senior staff, acquisition targets, etc.) and how much from their own noggin so to speak?

Or a better way to ask this might be, how would one go about replicating this insight if one is not a CEO of a tech company? What resources would I need to pull in, who should I be talking with?

Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by tcbawo on Sunday October 27, 2019 @12:08PM (#21370589)
Speaking from limited experience, executives are surrounded by people giving them distilled insight and knowledge. They sit at the top of the meritocracy, although not everyone in that position has earned their place through that meritocracy.
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by Existenceblinks on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:52AM (#21369678)
Sure, these executives have power to drive and make it happens. Especially they are the leads of tech industry, .. and not doubt you could find an exception among executives of big tech companies.
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by hodgesrm on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:22PM (#21373596)
CEOs can get the market very wrong. Boeing developed the 787 to meet a vision of point-to-point long-range flight using smaller aircraft that could fly out of medium-sized airports with high load factors. Airbus bet on hub-and-spoke and developed the A380, which turned out to be a substantial misreading of the future.
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by tyingq on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:48AM (#21369658)
I was impressed with this video as well. It's years before soap, rest, JSON, xmlhttprequest, etc. He's describing the end state very well.
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by klhugo on Sunday October 27, 2019 @11:57AM (#21370530)
What about self driving vehicles? Many "big time CEOs" saw it comming.

They not always "see" it right. It is tough to forecast future in tech.

Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by gtirloni on Sunday October 27, 2019 @08:45AM (#21369364)
What do you attribute that to? Pure genius, more access to information, better associates, etc?
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by hunter2_ on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:00AM (#21369428)
Isn't it also a bit self-fulfilling? You imagine what's next, and you steer your company in that direction in order to be ready for it. Doing so (and speaking about it, etc.) contributes heavily to it even happening. If you were wrong, and your company disappears as a result, that contributes to us not analyzing it later.
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by Insanity on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:11AM (#21369483)
Ha yeah that was what I was thinking. Probably some survivorship bias in play here.
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by omarhaneef on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:51AM (#21369669)
My personal view is that it’s not hard to see where things are going, and anyone reasonably smart and informed will have a good sense of where things are generally headed.

The hard part of delivering the right trade off between usability, reliability, timeliness, cost with the right team and ecosystem.

I mean everyone knew that rich web over mobile would work but did that look like blackberry, iPhone, Android, windows phone etc

Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by dsiegel2275 on Sunday October 27, 2019 @08:58AM (#21369423)
Survivorship bias?
Re:PDC 1996 Keynote with Bob Muglia and Steve Jobs [video] by Austin_Conlon on Sunday October 27, 2019 @09:03AM (#21369453)
Formative experiences hanging around the fringe - the Aspen Institute, PARC, Homebrew Computer Club, etc.