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Re:Perfectly Cropped by Udo on Friday October 25, 2019 @07:52AM (#21354041)
With the proliferation of different screen sizes and zoom factors, these kinds of usability problems will continue to happen. The only way I see around this is by re-introducing the 'obvious scroll bar' element, or alternatively a different kind of indicator that advertises where the current view is in relation to the entire content.
Re:Perfectly Cropped by lallysingh on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:13AM (#21354170)
Like a tiny down triangle in the corner? This stuff is super not hard. You just have to give a shit.
Re:Perfectly Cropped by dean177 on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:26AM (#21354268)
It’s incredibly hard to make a great user experience look great.

Lots of people can’t tell the difference between something looking awesome and working well.

Re:Perfectly Cropped by lallysingh on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:54AM (#21354465)
User interfaces are testable. There's a whole field of practice on this. Considering how sloppy this is (and Apple's recent trends in slop) I bet they didn't test it on all their screen sizes
Re:Perfectly Cropped by Udo on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:32AM (#21354316)
> Like a tiny down triangle in the corner? This stuff is super not hard.

That's also what I suggested in my answer to onion2k below. I agree, it's not hard. But it does require their design team to overcome some instinctive minimalism.

Re:Perfectly Cropped by helpPeople on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:26AM (#21354263)
Sounds like Linux excuses "you just aren't using it right"
Re:Perfectly Cropped by lonelappde on Friday October 25, 2019 @09:09AM (#21354549)
You mean Apple excuses? That's a Steve Jobs quote. Linux UX is rough in parts and the answer is "it's a $0 volunteer group project, we need your help to make it better."
Re:Perfectly Cropped by AnIdiotOnTheNet on Friday October 25, 2019 @11:01AM (#21355670)
No, it's definitely a Linux thing too. Linux Desktop community in general doesn't care what anyone's experience is except their own, and if you're not a C programmer who's willing to fork the code to make the change you want (because they almost certainly won't accept your patch), then screw you.

Common phrases heard on Linux Desktop software issue trackers and forums:

"Why would you want that?" "You don't want to do that, do it <the way I do it>." "Works on my machine." "PRs are welcome." "We've rejected your PR because there isn't any demand for this."

This is the community that thinks .desktop files are a good idea and largely uses the GUI as a really fancy tmux. They're hopeless.

Re:Perfectly Cropped by onion2k on Friday October 25, 2019 @07:59AM (#21354090)
The user doesn't need to know where they are on the page. They just need to know they're not at the bottom. A line along the bottom of the page when there's more content available would work. You could have the same at the top too.
Re:Perfectly Cropped by Udo on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:03AM (#21354112)
It's debatable whether it's bad that the user knows where exactly they are.

The problem with just showing a bar at the bottom is that iOS already uses a bar at the bottom to invoke the app switcher. Maybe a small triangle in the corner would help.

Re:Perfectly Cropped by jarfil on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:36AM (#21354338)
The user probably wants to know where they are in a list while scrolling, but otherwise it shouldn't be a problem to reclaim that screen space by hiding the scroll bar when they're done.
Re:Perfectly Cropped by Udo on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:44AM (#21354387)
That reflects how things work on macOS and iOS right now, the scroll bar disappears when you stop scrolling. However, that does not apply to "pop-in" elements like the share pane. It operates like a slidable component on-top of the current app, it does not even have a scroll bar in theory, because from its point of view there is nothing to scroll. Whether that's a good choice to begin with is open to debate, but I assume Apple's design team would be averse to showing a positioning indicator due to the fact that it would break their skeuomorphism.
Re:Perfectly Cropped by vxNsr on Friday October 25, 2019 @09:43AM (#21354827)
I hear you except that apple controls all the screen sizes and zoom factors. They know right off the bat what it's gonna look like on all the screens in the world because they have every screen this will show on... also if you forget zoom it's still only like 5 screen sizes: SE, 6, X, XS Plus, and XR.

How did they not test this on 5 different screen sizes, of which two it's entirely un-intuitive?

Re:Perfectly Cropped by enriquto on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:16AM (#21354188)
oh, yes, please, give people back their scrollbars!
Re:Perfectly Cropped by really3452 on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:13AM (#21354171)
> The only way I see around this is by re-introducing the 'obvious scroll bar' element...

Or Apple could do the right thing and go back to a 3.5" screen size on all their phones, no exceptions. Even a 4" screen size would be better than these clown-phone monstrosities. IOS could then just dead-pixel all pixels outside of the center 3.5" screen on all existing clown-phones for backwards compatibility.

Re:Perfectly Cropped by coldtea on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:21AM (#21354222)
Is this supposed to be sarcasm?

People it's clearly an unpopular opinion, and those bigger screens literally fly off the shelves...

Re:Perfectly Cropped by tyfon on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:24AM (#21354248)
Personally I hate the big phones, but I would prefer to have a dumb phone with physical buttons if I didn't need all the two factor apps, public transportation ticket apps, car apps and whatnot.

Right now I am looking at the Sony Xperia 1 as it seems to be the best "smallish" phone now a days.

Yes, I know I am in the minority.

Re:Perfectly Cropped by really3452 on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:33AM (#21354318)
> Is this supposed to be sarcasm?

Nope. A few years ago I used to really want a large-screened phone. Then I got one with a 5" screen and found out its clunky and awful to carry around. Standardizing the screen back to 4" or 3.5" would greatly improve my tolerance for carrying it around and, if the resolution were also standardized, would greatly simplify UX design.

Re:Perfectly Cropped by lallysingh on Friday October 25, 2019 @08:51AM (#21354436)
I hear you. I think our best shot will be folding phones.