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Re:The empty seat on a crowded Japanese train by asp_hornet on Thursday October 24, 2019 @12:36AM (#21341668)
> I’m never going to be Chineses, same as he’s never going to be Japanese. If that bugs him why not go home? No one’s making him stay in Japan.

I’m so happy to read this comment. I lived in Japan for 4 years and had the same feeling. People are always upset they’re not seen as Japanese despite the fact they are indeed not Japanese. I could see an argument if you were a child of a western parent, born and raised in Japan with Japanese values constantly having to remind people that you are a Japanese national but these are just foreigners living in Japan with a chip on their shoulder because they weren’t born Japanese.

Re:The empty seat on a crowded Japanese train by josephg on Thursday October 24, 2019 @12:46AM (#21341707)
I hear you, but I also notice how different the expectations and standards are around race in the west. If we transplant some of the things said above into America, I notice I have a very different reaction.

Eg, “[Because he’s not white] he’s never going to be American. If that bugs him, why not go home? Nobody is making him stay in America.”

“[Immigrants] are just foreigners living in America with a chip on their shoulder because they weren’t born American”

(Edit to be really clear I’m not condoning or condemning. Just noticing.)

Re:The empty seat on a crowded Japanese train by knzhou on Thursday October 24, 2019 @01:02AM (#21341771)
America actually is unique among countries. I could move to Japan, but I'll never be Japanese; I could also move to Denmark, but I'll never be a Dane. But I moved to America and now I am American.

The vast majority of countries don't work this way, nor would it be better for all of them to. But it's great that at least one does.

Re:The empty seat on a crowded Japanese train by 55555 on Thursday October 24, 2019 @12:58AM (#21341755)
> Eg, “[Because he’s not white] he’s never going to be American. If that bugs him, why not go home? Nobody is making him stay in America.”

No, because America is not a racially homogenous society. Japan mostly is. Japan's residents are 98% japanese and most of the other 2% are other asians.

Re:The empty seat on a crowded Japanese train by josephg on Thursday October 24, 2019 @01:13AM (#21341819)
Hm, I’m doing a gut check on that by swapping in another western country which is more racially homogeneous than the US to see how I feel about it:

> “[Because he’s not white] he’s never going to be Norwegian. If that bugs him, why not go home? Nobody is making him stay in Norway.”

My ears still flag that as racist.

Re:The empty seat on a crowded Japanese train by rimliu on Thursday October 24, 2019 @12:55AM (#21341742)
Race probably not the issue there, at least not tonthw degree some assume it is. I've seen the very same santiment "you will never be X" from the people which emigrated to the countries where the wast majority is of the same race.
Re:The empty seat on a crowded Japanese train by et-al on Thursday October 24, 2019 @12:52AM (#21341727)
If you happen to be in a visually homogenous society (i.e. rural America, or Japan), you're gonna be treated differently because you stand out.

This common occurrence for American-born children of non-white immigrants in American.

"Where are you from?" "Kansas City" "No, where are you really from?"

This being said, America's had more immigrants come in than Japan, so by collective experience, America should be more open-minded about outsiders than Japan. Which is what we see in big cities like New York.

Re:The empty seat on a crowded Japanese train by Aeolun on Thursday October 24, 2019 @01:05AM (#21341784)
The same thing is true for anyone in the US though. They always describe themselves as being [insert grandparents’ nationality before coming to the US].
Re:The empty seat on a crowded Japanese train by new_realist on Thursday October 24, 2019 @12:41AM (#21341686)
Separate but equal? Or not even equal?
Re:The empty seat on a crowded Japanese train by mattigames on Thursday October 24, 2019 @02:45AM (#21342254)
Downvoted; the author clearly doesn't have much problem with not be seen as Japanese, he has a problem with being seen as a human being one should not sit next to.