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Re:We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes by openfuture on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @08:24AM (#21333822)
It should be classified by acceleration not velocity.

Weight and velocity are also important (potential energy which could cause harm) but acceleration is the right way to sort things into lanes, there can also be an energy constraint for the lane but acceleration is about being able to anticipate the behavior of something so that you can avoid the accident in the first place.

Electric bikes can accelerate fast and the user will also not care as much about stopping (and losing hard won inertia) this could invalidate some expectation and cause an accident.

Re:We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes by brnt on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @08:43AM (#21333983)
Well, acceleration may be non-linear (bikes accelerate 0-10 faster than anything else, which is why sometimes in NL bikes may wait in front of cars before stoplights[1]). Top-speed and weight are also important factors in whether or not it would be smart to mix. However, this results in a matrix of separated lanes that is impractical ;)

Finding a good compromise (such as [1]) I think is a better idea. Lowering car speeds such that we can mix is a good one, as well as the introduction of speed limits on cycling paths [2], which would force certain bikes to slow down.

[1] https://gratistheorie.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/opgeblaz... [2] https://www.fietsersbond.nl/nieuws/een-maximum-snelheid-op-h...

Re:We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes by gpm on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @09:42AM (#21334531)
> bikes accelerate 0-10 faster than anything else

As a cyclist, I don't believe this claim for a second.

When a car starts moving at the same time as me, it's faster than me from the start. Which makes sense, it has more horse power per unit mass.

Often I do start moving first, because I think I'm less likely to get right hooked if I do so. But that's a result of paying attention and having my for on the "accelerator" waiting to go. (Also maybe a tiny bit of lag for a car to get into gear, but that's not substantial).

Re:We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes by kalenx on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:06PM (#21335988)
The relevant metric is the torque at low (or 0) RPM, not the (horse) power.

I do agree that a good electric car may start faster than a cyclist, however.

Re:We Need to Dream Bigger Than Bike Lanes by clarry on Thursday October 24, 2019 @04:12AM (#21342617)
Dunno, my ICE idles at 900 RPM and I tend to give it a bit of gas as I start going. I don't think my feet could put out anywhere near as much torque.