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Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by somejerk123 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:45PM (#21329649)
Once upon a time, I found this company's software on an employee's work laptop, installed by a jealous ex-boyfriend.

I called the company, and they refused to remove our data or even help with uninstalling the software without a court order.

The software helpfully logged the URL when it saved screenshots to S3, which it did every few seconds.

The S3 bucket was fully public, listable, readable, writable. It also contained keylogging and other data.

Not just from our employee. From everyone.

Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by derefr on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:57PM (#21330046)
Perhaps you should have just sent the link to the S3 bucket to a news organization. Things would have handled themselves from there.
Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by somejerk123 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:38PM (#21330831)
Between the red text on all their sites and this settlement, I'd say things did handle themselves.

The employee and jealous ex even made up, got married, and have children now.

Everybody lived happily ever after.

Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by heavenlyblue on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @06:44AM (#21333219)
>> The employee and jealous ex even made up, got married, and have children now.

/s if not for the app, that ex would never be able to get over their jealousy

Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by nitwit005 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @10:33PM (#21330528)
You could report them to AWS for violating the acceptable use policy. They have a line in there about interception: https://aws.amazon.com/aup/
Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by meowface on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @10:38PM (#21330553)
People need to stop calling it (just) stalkerware and call it what it obviously is: malware. It's no different from any other form of malware. Just the criminals are probably people you know rather than online opportunists.
Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by peteretep on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:48PM (#21330878)
You seem to think that "malware" sounds worse and somehow more specific than "stalkerware". Stalkerware sounds like a more nefarious subset of malware, and I'm not sure what conflating a more specific term into a less specific one achieves
Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by segfaultbuserr on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:43AM (#21331113)
why not just "spyware"?

Am I getting too old?

Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by TeMPOraL on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @04:11AM (#21332343)
I might be slightly younger, but under the meaning I remember, almost every website today would qualify as running spyware. Google Analytics is spyware.

This kind of stalker app reminds me of remote administration tools. They had another name, I don't remember what it was.

Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by krageon on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @09:11AM (#21334243)
A RAT was frequently packaged in/used together with a trojan. Perhaps that's what you were thinking of.
Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by kingbirdy on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @02:00AM (#21331532)
Different connotations, I think - I don't consider spyware to be targeted, it's more of a "send it to everyone and hope you get some juicy info on someone", whereas stalkerware makes it clear it's for specifically targeting individuals.
Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by watwut on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @04:42AM (#21332550)
Different tools and uses and implications.

Spyware informs third party that is mostly not relevant about your actions. It is bad, but does not imply loss of freedom or physical danger around.

Stalkerware allows person who knows you personally to, well, stalk you. It implies more immediate threat to both freedom, privacy and physical safety.

Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by peteretep on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @01:54AM (#21331500)
Could do. I guess I’d associate that with mass surveillance against many targets who aren’t know to the attacker? Stalkerware felt sufficiently evocative
Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by DoreenMichele on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @12:45AM (#21331124)
Stalkerware specifies the malicious intent. It helps clarify what the problem space is.
Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by meowface on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @05:36PM (#21339261)
That's why I added the "just". Call it stalkerware for the general public, and malware in a criminal or technical context.
Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by Dylan16807 on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @11:45PM (#21330868)
I think 'stalkerware' sounds much worse, so I'm not sure how that helps.
Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by meowface on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @05:36PM (#21339267)
That's why I added the "just". Call it stalkerware for the general public, and malware in a criminal or technical context.
Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by nkrisc on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @07:57PM (#21329724)
Did the data spontaneously delete itself?
Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by matheusmoreira on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:05PM (#21329764)
Did you get a court order?
Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by koolba on Tuesday October 22, 2019 @08:47PM (#21329992)
Could you overwrite the existing data?
Re:FTC Brings First Case Against Developers of “Stalking” Apps by pjc50 on Wednesday October 23, 2019 @05:17AM (#21332746)
These days I would hope the GDPR big hammer could be brought to bear on such cases.

(Also, you could make the argument that installing such software on someone else's work laptop constitutes IP theft and/or breach of local computer security laws...)