It is a disgrace that Hart is suing the car builder.He had someone build a high performance show car and then allowed a friend to crash it. He is now wrecking everyone's right to modify and build cars because of his own stupidity.

Not to be rude, but you would have to be real thick to not understand how unsafe that car would be. I know it's a harsh thing to say, especially because Kevin Hart was seriously injured. Still, when you take risks, sometimes it doesn't work out.

Sadly yes.

There's a reason that e.g. Shelby Cobras are so rare. Very easy to spin out a short wheelbase car with a V8.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_Cobra

One of my college professors said there are things that are intrinsically unsafe. Where layered defenses don't buy you much. A fuckup means a high risk of being injured.

>The driver, Jared Black, lost control of Hart's 1970 Plymouth 'Cuda while driving with Hart and Black's fiancé, Rebecca Broxterman, in the back seat. The car plowed through a wooden fence and careened down an embankment, where it came to rest in a heap.

Reminder: dont let your cool friends drive your race car. This is how Paul Walker died.

Paul’s friend was driving his own car, I forget where I heard an in depth about it but supposedly the tires on those cars went bad fast, and it was one of the first items they were driving it. Irresponsible, but in those conditions that car had essentially no grip, combined with a car that was legendarily known for being very difficult to drive on atleast 8+ year tires was a recipe for disaster

The more grip the tires have, the shorter their life.

My understanding is that it wasn't a treadwear issue, but more like dryrot..the car had been stored for a long time.

I'm not sure how long tires last in storage, but if they're X years old they can look and feel perfectly new, but not be safe anymore.

I had a car in storage one time and the tires looked great. I took it in for inspection and the guy was like "sorry man these tires are over 5 years old, I can't pass this". At first I was really mad, and then calmed down and realized that there was probably a reason why, so I went ahead and got new tires.

That was the issue, the car had very little miles, but were stock tires

Basically, replace tires if they are 5 years old on cars like that. Age is a big problem.

Generally, 5-8 years. UV exposure makes a big difference.

The less grip your tires have, the shorter your life.

You are right, they were co-owners of the garage.

I am a mature and experienced driver and I drove FWD and AWD cars all of my life. On several occasions i stopped myself from buying a powerful RWD sports car .... just because of all the cases where (even experienced) drivers spin out and crash while taking "high speed" turns in poor traction conditions. I know that ill most likely push my car and not being able to control it - freaks me out! I cant even imagine giving someone else to drive a 700HP monster (with me not being in full control)!!!

The next car this (and other) shops build (if they survive the law suit) will come with a stack of "release of liability" documents for the buyer to sign. I 1000% guarantee that.

Its stupid on their part that they sold the car to him without release from any potential liability if he crashes the car or injures himself and others, like in this case.

> Its stupid on their part that they sold the car to him without release from any potential liability if he crashes the car or injures himself and others, like in this case.

It boggles me that anyone would have any expectation that the seller of a high performance car would be liable for the driver crashing it. It’s not like they didn’t know it was a beast of a car. What happened to personal responsibility?

We live in a world of "terms of conditions" and "disclosures" and "terms of use".

Even this simple purely informational use only website HN has a 10 pages list of "terms & conditions": https://www.ycombinator.com/legal/

Any performance car builder should have one too.

In a high performance car, even lifting the throttle in a turn can put it into a spin.

Wait until you hear about motorcycles...

https://youtu.be/3sniigpXfAY?t=140

That guy was just being stubborn. He had long since dumped the bike low side and tried to correct by locking the handlebars all the way left.

The rider wasn't being "stubborn".

It's a right hand turn and "locking the handlebars all the way to the left" wasn't trying to correct the "dumping" of the bike.

Locking the handlebars all the way left would hopefully have ensured the bike went down, stayed down and not sat back up again thus causing the "tank slapper". When you ride a bike, especially a motorbike you counter intuitively "steer left" to turn right, and vice versa.

Former sports bike rider here...until I bit the big green banana.

I was driving through the desert in my truck. I took a tight turn, probably a little too fast for my truck but it worked out. The driver in the performance car behind me wound up flying off the road. Because it was flat terrain he was fine and back on the road shortly. But I always wondered why my truck took the turn alright, and he had what could have turned in to a nasty crash. I guess the lesson here is, make sure to keep your tire tread in check.

Sports cars usually have stiff sway bars, which are generally better for high grip situations. Your truck, and rally cars will generally have less or no sway bars because in a hard off road corner, weight will transfer to the outside wheels which helps them bite into the ground and keep you on track. A car with stiff sway bars and suspension will slide out horizontally because the whole car stays much flatter in the corner.

I highly doubt it's tire tread if it was dry weather.

Turn-in is actually noticeably improved by lower tire tread on tires (as long as your tires are still roadworthy and the road is dry).

If you take a look at one of the most popular "sticky" tires for autocross, it almost looks like the tread has completely worn away on a normal tire: https://www.tirerack.com/images/videos/video_images_758x426/...

More likely they tried to get into the throttle during the turn at the wrong place, or tried to brake during the turn when caught off-guard, both of which would upset the balance of the car and send you off the road.

Traction control (or intentional chassis/suspension design) might have saved them from oversteering (spinning out towards the road), but not been able to prevent them from going off the road

Speculation, but could have been: Going into the corner too hot, coming out of the corner too hot (throttle induced oversteer), or just not knowing how to drive...

I was once at an "open track day", and this group of kids brought a Nissan GTR and a Skyline. They couldn't drive these cars, there was a Miata out there that they couldn't keep up with. I never actually saw them out on the track, so all I have is second hand reports via stories that were making the rounds of the pits, but I do know they didn't stay very long.

Probably panicked and locked up the brakes. Most cars (even sports cars) are set up to understeer unless really provoked, on the basis that a frontal crash is safer than hitting something sideways.

Highly doubtful, he probably hit the accelerator in the turn and overdid it. There's no way your pickup out handled a performance car on blacktop.

The machinist who built my engine told me the only reason he was doing it was because I was over 40.

I assure you there there are good machinists out there who will gladly take an 18 year old's money, so he isn't really helping anyone except getting some virtue signaling out of it.

I'm sure there are. My machinist did a good job, the engine is a bad mofo sleeper and just what I wanted :-)

I assume “money” was also a reason?

No. Though he knew I could pay for it because the parts I brought in were expensive ones, and of course he wouldn't give me the result if I didn't pay.

Lol really? Guess what Kevin, building a fast car and not learning how to drive a fast car has consequences. I have a a 650 HP mustang, one of the first things I did was take classes on how to handle high horsepower vehicles. What an idiot.