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Re:On Recent Controversial Events by mistermann on Thursday October 17, 2019 @08:13PM (#21287535)
> In fact, RMS' views and statements posted on stallman.org about sexual morality escalated for the worse over the last few years.

Each word is a linked to a comment, some of them fairly eye opening.

Re:On Recent Controversial Events by deft on Thursday October 17, 2019 @08:35PM (#21287644)
Except reading the links and keeping the timestamps in mind pretty much the opposite occurred. In 2016 he was blabbing about bestiality and pedophilia / rape of minors and excusing it, but later on he was mostly talking about not calling 18yos children, and saying that not all 'Sexual assault' is equal and different words should be used to describe different actions, he even provides a pretty logical argument for this.

His worst comment was probably this one https://web.archive.org/web/20180131020215/https://stallman....

Re:On Recent Controversial Events by fencepost on Thursday October 17, 2019 @08:58PM (#21287746)
Regardless of how his stated views changed over time, the article is more about how such outside-the-mainstream views end up being a significant distraction from the already (unrelated) outside-the-mainstream views of the FSF.

Even were he to turn out to be an incredible coder and lover of open source, I also wouldn't expect the FSF to hire David Duke as a spokesman because the combination of two unrelated advocacy positions would be a distraction for both.

Re:On Recent Controversial Events by ng12 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @09:30PM (#21287886)
I think we need to keep in mind that RMS was posting this stuff very publicly all the while FSF was a runaway success. If RMS were being nominated to lead the FSF today, sure it might be appropriate to point out that he seems like a wack-job. However, as it stands we've lost one of the most impactful thought leaders of the past several decades over some mudslinging and theoretical "distraction".
Re:On Recent Controversial Events by XorNot on Thursday October 17, 2019 @10:44PM (#21288219)
Frankly, how?

He hasn't been silenced. He still has internet access and the many publishing platforms that affords him.

He's been dissociated from a role in an organization.

If his ideas so clearly stand on their own, then he should have no problems. What he will not be doing anymore is acting as a direct representative of the organization.

Re:On Recent Controversial Events by ng12 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @10:52PM (#21288261)
Well I'm sure part of it is that he's been unjustly branded as a pedophile. Also I doubt he cherishes the prospect of starting FSF Round 2.
Re:On Recent Controversial Events by neumann on Friday October 18, 2019 @12:07AM (#21288589)
I haven't seen him branded as a pedophile. I'll happily brand him as a former pedophile apologist, and have yet to read anything that suggests he has renounced those views explicitly.
Re:On Recent Controversial Events by ng12 on Friday October 18, 2019 @12:48AM (#21288772)
I would argue the delta between calling someone a pedophile and a pedophile apologist is pretty negligible in the age of clickbaity news bites.
Re:On Recent Controversial Events by XorNot on Thursday October 17, 2019 @11:16PM (#21288362)
Who is branding him as this?

He's being branded as an insensitive twit who's pattern of behavior has showed no signs of attempts to change, understand or really engage with the criticism he chooses to attract, and has finally broken the camel's back and this is the result.

Re:On Recent Controversial Events by fencepost on Friday October 18, 2019 @10:19AM (#21291563)
It's not a direct comparison, but what was the financial impact and mindshare/market impact on Uber of Travis Kalanick's perceived 'dudebro' leadership? Heck, how much did Uber spend just on damage control? A controversial and divisive leadership figure is a problem for any organization, particularly once that's dependent on donations.

Edit: have you ever witnessed something where all you could think while watching it was "Guy, just shut up, you're doing nothing but hurting yourself by talking."? Now imagine that instead of being some guy on news coverage it's someone who's seen as the public face of your organization, he has a history of doing the same thing and you have zero faith that he won't do it in the future.

Re:On Recent Controversial Events by rmtech on Thursday October 17, 2019 @09:21PM (#21287850)
yes, it's clear that he has some unorthodox views, though all of them are backed by a degree of logic that most people don't apply to these things.

I wouldn't personally touch any of these topics. Too controversial, no gain. But I can't really fault his logic. Of course, social and sexual morality runs on feelings rather than logic, and perhaps that's what RMS doesn't get!

Re:On Recent Controversial Events by lisp-missionary on Thursday October 17, 2019 @09:59PM (#21288016)
I think what Stallman doesn't get is the same thing that I don't get, why should he at all have to be concerned with the feelings or even thoughts of everyone else in the entire world when speaking his mind. What makes other people's feelings or even thoughts so much more important that action should be taken against him if he's honest about what he thinks. By the way, some of the comments he's being demonized for would mean demonizing hundreds of millions of people living in much more civilized societies than America's.
Re:On Recent Controversial Events by dragonwriter on Thursday October 17, 2019 @11:53PM (#21288510)
> I think what Stallman doesn't get is the same thing that I don't get, why should he at all have to be concerned with the feelings or even thoughts of everyone else in the entire world when speaking his mind.

He doesn't have to be.

Of course, equally, they don't need to at all be concerned with his thoughts or feelings when exercising their rights, either.

Now, if he wants them to give favorable consideration to him when exercising their freedoms, well...

Re:On Recent Controversial Events by lisp-missionary on Friday October 18, 2019 @09:33AM (#21291205)
He's been fired. That's not the same thing as using your words and yoy know it.
Re:On Recent Controversial Events by dragonwriter on Friday October 18, 2019 @10:35AM (#21291712)
> He's been fired

Yes.

> That's not the same thing as using your words

It's an exercise of property and association rights, rather than speech rights, so, sure, it's a different thing on a precise enough level.

On the other hand, it's the same thing on the level of exercise of rights in which others thoughts and feelings need not be considered outside of voluntary (e.g., contractual) commitments or legal mandates.

Dr. Stallman is free to exercise his rights in manners which disregard the thoughts and feelings of others. He should not, however, be surprised that his doing so is reciprocated.

Re:On Recent Controversial Events by mthoms on Thursday October 17, 2019 @10:31PM (#21288156)
>why should he at all have to be concerned with the feelings or even thoughts of everyone else in the entire world when speaking his mind

He's absolutely free to speak his mind. Similarly, people and organizations are free to disassociate with him if they find his opinions offensive (or even just distracting).

Re:On Recent Controversial Events by humanrebar on Thursday October 17, 2019 @11:02PM (#21288309)
You miss the argument.

The question isn't whether people should have the freedom to disassociate. I haven't seen anyone argue otherwise. The question is whether it's wise or beneficial to use that freedom in this way.

Re:On Recent Controversial Events by mthoms on Thursday October 17, 2019 @11:47PM (#21288477)
The parent seemed (here and elsewhere) to argue that RMS was having his freedom of speech hindered vis-a-vis the fact that people were disassociating with him. Further arguing that RMS should be able to say anything he wants as long as he's honest (paraphrased).

I only argued about freedom of association to counter that simplistic thinking. That is, yes it's your right to say whatever you want, but it's my right to disassociate from you if I don't like what you're saying.

> The question is whether it's wise or beneficial to use that freedom in this way

I agree whole-heartedly with this more nuanced take on it. In a round-about way, that was kind of my point - That the matter is not as simple as being able to say whatever you want, whenever you want, and not have repercussions.

Re:On Recent Controversial Events by lisp-missionary on Friday October 18, 2019 @09:37AM (#21291235)
No he was fired for not agreeing with other people on a topic completely unrelated to his responsibilities. Software liberalism at its finest.
Re:On Recent Controversial Events by kazinator on Friday October 18, 2019 @12:57PM (#21292987)
The thing is, there are very different kinds of responsibilities. One person's responsibilities are to perform some assembly line step in a factory. Another person's responsibilities consist of being a representative of an organization.

If a person has responsibilities as a representative, then there isn't a clear cut separation between their private conduct and that representation, and they have to be aware of that and accept it, however reluctantly that may be. Anything that leader says and does may be interpreted by the public, rightly or wrongly, as being part of the representation.

Re:On Recent Controversial Events by Smithalicious on Thursday October 17, 2019 @09:45PM (#21287949)
Most of it is just rephrasing of the same few comments, which are mostly semantic arguments such as "a 17 year old isn't really a" child". This may be evidence of him holding "problematic" views, but it's no campaign.