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Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by hyperpallium on Thursday October 17, 2019 @12:07AM (#21278832)
What was the evolutionary pressure that made us intelligent - could it be ranged attack?

First, what I'm calling the Geo-Fermi Paradox - why are we the only intelligent animal on Earth?

Sure, it has advantages - but other animals would gain those advantages too. So why didn't they become intelligent (or, at least, more intelligent) too?

Sure, there was climate-change in Africa that rewarded adaptivity - but why didn't all animals in the region become intelligent (or, at least, more intelligent)?

This article has a good argument for bipelalism (due to forests becoming plains). And an interesting argument for stone throwing (and not available to bipeds like ostriches and emus).

Throwing rewards spatial reasoning, providing an evolutionary pressure It's not clear to me that this would lead to intelligence - but maybe it did. (OTOH bonobos, chimpanzees, gorillas, orang-utans, and capuchins throw too https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Projectile_use_by_non-human_organ...).

Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by im3w1l on Thursday October 17, 2019 @12:22AM (#21278881)
If we consider other hominids, we don't know exactly, but it seems we outcompeted them. If we consider more distant animals, because we converted the entire planet to provide for us much faster than they could evolve to catch up with us.
Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by perl4ever on Thursday October 17, 2019 @08:05PM (#21287497)
However, the pressure has to have been exerted before humans outcompeted other hominids. This might seem too obvious, but you can't have an effect preceding its cause.
Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by hyperpallium on Thursday October 17, 2019 @12:26AM (#21278902)
I think that's the "we just happened to be first" argument. Which could be true, but not very satisfying, because no detail.
Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by clacke2 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @06:37AM (#21280605)
We didn't have to be first. Other primates might have picked up the rock before we did, but eventually lost the race. Maybe the fire-cooking, rock-throwing domesticating niche is just that competitive.

So it might be more like "we are the ones that remain", but yeah, either variant is a spin on the old weak anthropic principle, which is never quite satisfying.

Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by hyperpallium on Thursday October 17, 2019 @07:50AM (#21281007)
And we do seem to have wiped out/outcompeted Neanderthals etc.

> fire-cooking, rock-throwing domesticating niche

Just knowing if that was the evolutionary pressure along the path would be enough for me (even if it could have been another ape or a corvid or whatever - or maybe they are on that path now?)

BTW Matt Ridley has the theory that division of labour (trade enabling specialization) was the gradient.

Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by GarrisonPrime on Thursday October 17, 2019 @01:02AM (#21279055)
Just because there's no detail, or it's not satisfying, doesn't mean it's less likely.
Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by insulanus on Thursday October 17, 2019 @01:52AM (#21279275)
> why are we the only intelligent animal on Earth?

The process is not stuck in time. If we disappeared, another ape (or some other animal) might get where we are eventually, through some other path.

Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by ufmace on Thursday October 17, 2019 @09:33AM (#21281850)
I've been inclined to think it has something to do with communication and community-forming tendencies. It seems that a number of other species, including Octopuses and African Grey Parrots, have pretty significant intelligence for animals. Yet their greater intelligence than most other animals doesn't seem to get them a really game-changing advantage over them. Human intelligence, or perhaps communication and organization in combination with them, has given us a series of game-changing advantages in a row, so many that our civilization is utterly dominant over any area where we choose to be.
Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by RichEO on Thursday October 17, 2019 @12:24AM (#21278893)
I believe there is some evidence to suggest that we have not always been the sole intelligent species on the planet.

Notably there is some speculation that Neanderthals were of equal or similar intelligence to early humans

Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by hyperpallium on Thursday October 17, 2019 @12:33AM (#21278941)
Perhaps arguing semamtics, but Neanderthals (Homo sapiens neanderthalensis https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal) were "human": could interbreed, and had Lucy etc as common ancestors.
Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by rriepe on Thursday October 17, 2019 @01:18AM (#21279114)
This article glosses over it but I think the answer is cooking. Cooking took pressure off our digestive system which allowed us to stack it up vertically.
Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by kasperni on Thursday October 17, 2019 @02:14AM (#21279376)
Richard Wrangham wrote a book on this "Catching Fire: How Cooking Made Us Human"
Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by insulanus on Thursday October 17, 2019 @01:54AM (#21279285)
I think that's a trong contender for biggest contributer.

Natural food was was less calorie dense back then. I wonder if we reached a point where we could consume the most calories per pound of our own body weight, and never looked back.

Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by dennisgorelik on Thursday October 17, 2019 @07:38AM (#21280924)
> why didn't all animals in the region become intelligent

Because humans took over that "being intelligent" niche and outcompeted everyone else who tried to capitalize on intelligence.

Speaking in Venture Capitalists language, humans "sucked the oxygen from the room".

Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by tasuki on Thursday October 17, 2019 @06:07AM (#21280416)
> why are we the only intelligent animal on Earth?

Are other animals not intelligent? Are you sure we are intelligent?

I guess that the difference between apes and humans would be minuscule to the outside observer.

Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by qnsi on Thursday October 17, 2019 @06:19AM (#21280490)
if you are interested I have good article for you listing some differences between humans and animals http://staffwww.dcs.shef.ac.uk/people/A.Sharkey/2008-darwin....
Re:No One Knows Why Humans Can Walk by hyperpallium on Thursday October 17, 2019 @08:05AM (#21281104)
You can argue for their intelligence, but they can't argue for yours.