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Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by shaneprrlt on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @05:06PM (#21275689)
All I have to say to this is a deal's a deal. Doesn't matter if it was 184 years ago. :)
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by unchocked on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @05:41PM (#21276144)
The Civil War happened subsequently, in which many Cherokee fought for the Confederacy. 25 U.S.C. Sec. 72 allows the President to declare treaties abrogated by tribes engaging in "actual hostility to the United States", which alliance with the Confederacy certainly was.

So the issue is more complicated than you state.

* addendum since this is likely flame bait. The Cherokee, having been betrayed by Andrew Jackson and by the United States in general, had plenty of reason to support the confederacy. Have a look at Wikipedia for a historical overview:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee_in_the_American_Civil...

Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by jeremyjh on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @07:31PM (#21277246)
A lot of people fought for the confederacy, but their descendants still have representation in congress because peace was made and status restored. Also I don't think you can make a case that the Cherokee Nation was at war with the United States during that time, just because some of its citizens joined irregular militias.
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by COGlory on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:53PM (#21277895)
Cherokee also have representation in Congress because they have senators and representatives that they vote for every year just like everyone else.
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by dajohnson89 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @12:07AM (#21278831)
I believe the sentiment is that Cherokees and other native american nations aren't sufficiently represented by their elected officials. in much the same way they have been marginalized for centuries.
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by stickfigure on Thursday October 17, 2019 @12:21AM (#21278880)
Honest question: Do you think "one [hu]man one vote" is wrong?
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by elihu on Thursday October 17, 2019 @03:53AM (#21279838)
Sometimes, if the voting methodology is bad.

The city of Yakima was found [1] to have violated the Voting Rights Act a few years back because they have a significant Latino minority and yet somehow no Latinos would ever be elected to city council. This is because every voter votes on every city council seat, and because the town's majority of white voters apparently has a preference for white candidates.

I don't remember what the solution was, I think they either split the town into districts, each with its own city council member, or used some kind of proportional representation system.

[1] https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/federal-court-rules-yaki...

Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by tremon on Thursday October 17, 2019 @06:21AM (#21280503)
No, but do you think that is an accurate representation of US politics? From the outside it seems that "one dollar one vote" applies equally well (and is equally wrong).
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by dajohnson89 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @12:45AM (#21278982)
I don't quite understand your question. if you're asking whether I think the Cherokees deserve a vote in the house, I say "yes".
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by vinay427 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @01:36AM (#21279185)
They're probably referring to the fact that the Cherokee members are already represented by their US legislators in the same way that other US residents are. Providing them this vote would give them more representation, and they're asking if you believe that's a better solution.
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by kbenson on Thursday October 17, 2019 @01:53AM (#21279282)
Would it? I think it's possible that other laws may mean that they have one vote, and thus have to choose whether to have their vote apply in the congressional district they are physically in, or to the Cherokee representative seat they are alotted for a non-geographical district. That would retain one vote for one person. This isn't even all that weird, I assume. Do people with residences in multiple districts get to vote in each, or do they have to choose?
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by vinay427 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @02:52AM (#21279536)
They definitely have to choose, and many places I've lived in explicitly mention that also voting in another place (in the US) is a crime.
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by ajdlinux on Thursday October 17, 2019 @02:30AM (#21279440)
Relevantly - if their Cherokee delegate is a non-voting delegate, then while they may have two representatives on the floor of the house speaking for their interests, they only have one who can be involved in the formal exercise of said House's power.
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by jeremyjh on Thursday October 17, 2019 @06:49AM (#21280656)
A delegate would not have a vote on the house floor. They are more like an ambassador than a representative.
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by elif on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:48PM (#21277860)
If "many Cherokee" can be classified as a "Cherokee alliance", Pemberton and Cooper, actual Confederate generals, should as well, applying these laws in context of the 14th ammendment. So no more representatives from PA or NJ?
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by shaneprrlt on Thursday October 17, 2019 @10:20AM (#21282319)
Cherokees and Confederates? That's the oddest collab I could ever imagine. What was their official stance on the institution of slavery? That seriously is one of the strangest bits of US history I've ever learned.
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by dsfyu404ed on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @07:53PM (#21277446)
>All I have to say to this is a deal's a deal. Doesn't matter if it was 184 years ago.

It doesn't work like that when you make a deal with the government. Just ask a native American if you don't believe me. :)

Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by r00fus on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @08:51PM (#21277883)
A tautology - US has disenfranchised and cheated the native Americans before so it should continue ?
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by vinay427 on Thursday October 17, 2019 @01:38AM (#21279199)
I would agree with cheated, not disenfranchised. It's easy to make the argument that they're not continuing disenfranchisement here.
Re:After 184 years, Cherokees seek House delegate seat promi... by egdod on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @07:09PM (#21277062)