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Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by dessant on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @11:34AM (#21271499)
Open source developers shouldn't be forced to lock away additional functionality in their apps, or resort to special tricks just to be able to receive donations for their projects.

Google could make a positive impact by introducing new features that help users seamlessly fund their favourite open source apps, right from their Google accounts. GitHub has recently introduced a similar initiative called GitHub Sponsors [1].

> Taking a step back; it is pretty weird to have apps opening links to web pages that take your credit card number.

There is nothing weird about accepting payments outside of Google Play, and it is allowed if the payment does not result in buying a product that is used within the app. Buying a movie ticket, or operating an online store with a third-party payment processor are perfectly fine use cases which are allowed on Google Play.

[1] https://github.com/sponsors

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by _-david-_ on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:11PM (#21271982)
>Open source developers shouldn't be forced to lock away additional functionality in their app

The additional feature can just be text that says thanks for the money, feel free to give us more money in the future.

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by phkahler on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:46PM (#21272454)
Better yet, just charge a dollar for the app. Link from the primary website to the app store, so people can buy the right one.
Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by dTal on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:59PM (#21272617)
No thanks. If I'm donating to a good cause, I don't want the App Mafia taking a 30% cut. That just reinforces this bad behavior.
Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by ndarwincorn on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @01:08PM (#21272740)
It's sort of a convenience fee. I agree with your App Mafia take but my guess is folks that can't be troubled to use F-Droid probably weren't going to donate in the first place.

For instance, D-Sub is available for free on F-Droid but costs something like ~$4 on Google Play.

AndOTP is available on F-Droid, not sure about Wireguard but I'd assume so.

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by imhoguy on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @02:30PM (#21273729)
> For instance, D-Sub is available for free on F-Droid but costs something like ~$4 on Google Play.

This is great solution to sustain the app developmant and spread the word about F-Droid!

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by kgersen75 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @01:21PM (#21272880)
so the App Mafia is supposed to host your app for free? provide the bandwidth to download it for free ? give visibility to your app thru search in the store for free ?

at some point someone gonna pay for the datacenters, the wires and all these stuff needed for software distribution.

Try running your own site on your own servers and paying for the data traffic and then do the math.

30% is ok

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by megous on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @01:35PM (#21273020)
Ok, let's do the math:

Say app has 10MiB, 100,000 downloads is ~1TiB, 1 have a 1GiB/20GiB VPS with that monthly bandwidth which I pay $1/month.

So distributing 100,000 copies costs $1.

I'll give Google $1 for distribution of 100000 copies of my app. Fair?

Yeah, I'll give Google a bit more for payment processing, perhaps. But actual distribution costs nothing really, for most apps.

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by iokanuon on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @02:37PM (#21273836)
Remember that creating a Google Play account already costs $20, so for the most people the distribution costs are far more than covered.
Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by kgersen75 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @03:46PM (#21274664)
you completely ignore the #1 cost: human cost to setup your vps, manage it, backups and whatnot etc. you gotta take all costs into account.

not every developer is willing to learn and spend time configuring & managing a server. that's not the same skill set.

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by megous on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @07:02PM (#21276986)
Human cost is not really very well measurable.

First we're talking about the free app for a good cause, so you're already providing an app for free, so you've assumed some sacrifice for others for whatever reason, and setting up a website for it may be comparatively negligible part of the whole cost to you in terms of time.

In my case I would have already had an infrastructure and knowledge how to host things, so it might take a few minutes to put some new files up on a machine used for other projects. Additional costs being pretty much 0.

And there may be benefits (even if I didn't have the knowledge and infra) like learning something new, or now having an infrastructure and knowledge that helps you save expenses or time in the future. So that would offset the costs. You can't just look at costs alone.

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by saint_fiasco on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @01:52PM (#21273229)
Google also does the work of keeping fake versions of your app out of the store.

I remember that being a problem in the app store for windows phones. Lots of fake apps that used the VLC name and logo, for example.

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by enginaar on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @02:45PM (#21273921)
Android is worth sh*t without any apps. I consider providing a market for apps and managing the quality of the market is their responsibility, business expense not developers.
Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by m-p-3 on Saturday October 19, 2019 @11:17AM (#21298908)
If they don't like free apps, then they should stop hosting free apps if they want that 30% tax so much.

Google should be thankful in the first place that developers are making apps on their ecosystem (doubly so for open source apps), because without them, Android and the Google Play Store itself isn't worth much. It's their part of the deal to stay relevant.

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by benj111 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:34PM (#21272292)
Is that still technically open source compatible?

Edit: I'm referring to https://opensource.org/osd

Edit2: Having read round some more, it seems you possibly could sell a different version, of course you would have to offer the source code which others would be free to give away, (this is for the gpl). I don't know if the discrimination clause of the Open Source Definition would come into play though.

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by kbenson on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:22PM (#21272138)
>> Just let the in-app purchase unlock some cosmetics in the app like games do.

> Open source developers shouldn't be forced to lock away additional functionality in their apps

I don't think functionality was what was suggested. Literally cosmetics. A nice banner that says thanks for supporting the project would likely be sufficient.

Edit: Although I agree it shouldn't be required. As a workaround it doesn't seem too bad though.

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by gojomo on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:06PM (#21271916)
> …are allowed on Google Play.

Until some morning when suddenly, they're not!

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by helpPeople on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @11:43AM (#21271624)
Completely agree. I do not want to restrict any users.

Annoying how hard it is to be independent of FAANG control.

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by anchpop on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:07PM (#21271924)
Would it be acceptable to Google if the only perk of buying an IAP was a little icon on the screen saying "contributor" or something?

Do they ban all donation verbiage or just IAPs that do nothing?

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by LoSboccacc on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @01:32PM (#21272993)
it's not the verbiage it's the 30% cut that google is missing when using a donation link
Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by anchpop on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @03:49PM (#21274688)
Oh, I see, thanks
Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by briandear on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:15PM (#21272039)
I don’t know much about Android, but is the Play store necessary? If it isn’t, then isn’t that independence from FAANG control?
Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by black_puppydog on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:38PM (#21272350)
That's like telling a convenience store owner that they're "independent" of Visa and Mastercard. Yeah sure, good luck with that.
Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by sm4rk0 on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @01:09PM (#21272745)
It isn't [1] but an average Joe doesn't know about alternatives and what's worse doesn't care about them because he's not affected by Google's foul play (or at least he thinks he isn't).

1: https://f-droid.org/

Re:Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to do... by im3w1l on Wednesday October 16, 2019 @12:03PM (#21271871)
While I see what you are saying, it doesn't need to be "locked away functionality". You could like "sell" badges. $10 """buys""" a bronze badge, $30 a silver etc, whose only functionality is to be listed in some irrelevant "thanks for your support" view.