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Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by sitkack on Sunday October 13, 2019 @08:45PM (#21244376)
Programmers have a huge disdain for end user programming. Visual Basic, spreadsheets, even HyperCard.

The vast majority of coding should be end user programming. The collective we just wants to own the tools and the jobs.

Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by pjmlp on Monday October 14, 2019 @01:19AM (#21245443)
On the contrary, I loved VB and Delphi, and it is the reason why I mostly focused on Java and .NET as my daily tools.

Developers are users as well, and I think too many fail to understand this.

Whatever tooling makes it easier to develop for, means that I can focus on other parts of the problem.

I don't miss working like I did during the late 80, early 90s. Our computers are so much better for them to be reduced to a green phosphor VT-100 terminal.

Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by sitkack on Monday October 14, 2019 @11:26AM (#21249296)
You and I agree, but look at the market for end user programming, it is vastly under developed. You are a single data point, not the whole population.

End users are way smarter and more capable than programmers give them credit. Applications should be empowering users not capturing them in a walled garden fed by their masters.

Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by Crinus on Monday October 14, 2019 @07:00AM (#21246895)
> Our computers are so much better for them to be reduced to a green phosphor VT-100 terminal.

So much this. Every time someone harps about this or that great terminal application that looks worse than even MS-DOS applications from the late-80s (when most users had moved on from MDA cards) i die a little inside.

Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by ojbyrne on Sunday October 13, 2019 @08:49PM (#21244393)
I am sympathetic to your sentiment, but the reason for the disdain is Professionalization:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professionalization

It's natural to want your job not to be turned over to the CEO's 14 year old son.

Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by sitkack on Sunday October 13, 2019 @11:18PM (#21245006)
This has not occurred and is not occurring in programming.

The CEOs 14 year old son is a straw boy.

Re:Flash Is Responsible for the Internet's Most Creative Era by jeegsy on Monday October 14, 2019 @12:36PM (#21250097)
> The CEOs 14 year old son is a straw boy.

Tee Hee