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Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by api on Friday October 11, 2019 @08:16PM (#21229561)
I get the feeling that contrary to rhetoric the search for life on Mars or anywhere else is almost an anti-priority. Not much designed to look for life has been sent since Viking in spite of direct observation of water ice, brine, and other features suggesting ideal landing sites for such experiments.

If perclorates were the cause of the Viking positive as many suggest, why not send a new experiment designed to rule that in or out? Why not send a whole lot more chemical tests for biology, or a microscope for that matter?

I suspect there is strong concern about the social effects of the revelation of any extraterrestrial life, even microbes. From what I see of the mass psychosis that is most of current political discourse this concern might not be unfounded.

Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by newdayrising on Friday October 11, 2019 @08:40PM (#21229680)
I think it's the opposite. There are scientists who are obsessed with finding extraterrestrial life because of their philosophical views regarding man's place in the universe. The fact that our universe seems primed for life has bothered so many gung ho atheistic scientists that they've conjured all sorts of semi-pseudoscientific multiverse theories (Sean Carroll). That's one part of it. The second part it's reducing abiogenesis to a simple process that just "takes time" and is almost inevitable. The goal is to try to shove bare faced facts into a dusty drawer while you trot out the latest sensational theory. This is why there's been constant attacks on the Big Bang theory even though it's one of the triumphs of modern cosmological science. It all becomes so easy to justify when you define science as "what atheists believe."
Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by smohare on Friday October 11, 2019 @08:51PM (#21229742)
Methodological naturalism as applied to the scientific Certainly has no dependence on atheism.

Who categorizes science as an intrinsically atheistic endeavor other than religious apologists?

Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by api on Friday October 11, 2019 @09:00PM (#21229789)
The perception that all scientists are atheists comes from a small number of loud dogmatists. This is exactly like the perception that all Christians are literalist fundamentalists or hold right wing political beliefs.
Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by usedToLife on Saturday October 12, 2019 @12:38AM (#21230720)
All scientists are not atheists, just the smart ones. Depends on your interpretation of the word though. I don't consider atheism to be a complete abscence of philosophical pondering. I believe we haven't explored emergent consciousness enough and that makes it a mystery. But a scientist believing in a God from an ancient textbook is a red flag for me
Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by bluquark on Saturday October 12, 2019 @12:54AM (#21230773)
Only 7% of Nobel Prize winners are "smart"? https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Religion_of_Nobel_...
Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by nullc on Friday October 11, 2019 @09:58PM (#21230078)
How would microbial life on mars be a confirmation of atheists beliefs?

The nature of general religious beliefs is that they're essentially non-falsifiable.

And particularly in this case, life on mars wouldn't be shocking due to the fact that there is life on earth and there is a small amount of mass transfer. If there isn't some amount of microbial life on mars it would only because of the dumb luck that there hasn't happened to be anything on earth that could get transferred, survive the transfer, and survive on mars.

Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by mbfg on Friday October 11, 2019 @10:03PM (#21230104)
Why would a position on athiesm have any negative bearing on whether the universe is teaming with life? Atheism would likely posit that finding life all over the place hints that it's a common natural process.
Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by api on Friday October 11, 2019 @10:53PM (#21230315)
People could also see it as evidence for a creator, e.g. that the universe is obviously fine tuned for life. Theism isn't scientifically testable or falsifiable, so science can't say much of anything about it.
Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by ksaj on Saturday October 12, 2019 @01:03AM (#21230796)
Moving the goalpost doesn't prove much. Going from how special we are vis a vis Adam and Eve, to accepting life is actually everywhere and has been since well before Earth was a thing is itself a huge leap to make.
Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by shigawire on Saturday October 12, 2019 @10:33AM (#21233432)
Is it really different than any other retcon that's occurred in the last 500 years? At least in Christianity anything can be de-emphasized or treated as metaphor if it is inconvenient.
Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by zipwitch on Friday October 11, 2019 @10:47PM (#21230292)
Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by misterdoubt on Friday October 11, 2019 @09:44PM (#21230002)
What?
Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by jvanderbot on Friday October 11, 2019 @08:20PM (#21229582)
The priorities currently for Mars seem to be gathering correlated data to strengthen or weaken the case overall.

https://mars.nasa.gov/mars2020/mission/instruments/

Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by dsfyu404ed on Friday October 11, 2019 @08:59PM (#21229776)
2x. Look at the test suites on everything we've sent since Viking. Viking gave us odd results so we've set out to do a good job proving things one way or the other.
Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by justinator on Friday October 11, 2019 @08:59PM (#21229777)
I mean, you're probably right. If there was life found on Mars, there would be precedence to protect it - I could see this even stopping ANY manned missions (fear of contamination).

If the planet is dead, we as a civilization get the privilege to do whatever we want with it. Also a dead planet means the idea of the Monotheistic God kind of remains.

Ignorance is bliss.

Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by zipwitch on Friday October 11, 2019 @11:01PM (#21230354)
Mars is getting contaminated in the near future, whether we find life on it or not. Whether we collectively want it to be or not. Given the ever-decreasing cost of launches into space, the increasing access to small satellites, I think suspect it's inevitable that some collection of Earth microbes will get a ride to Mars within the next century. Whether it's a motivated team of grad students, an obsessed billionaire, or a small nation that doesn't decontaminate its lander before launch, it's going to happen.
Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by sosborn on Friday October 11, 2019 @09:13PM (#21229849)
> Also a dead planet means the idea of the Monotheistic God kind of remains.

I don't follow why life on another planet would have any bearing on the idea of a Monotheistic God.

Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by gen220 on Friday October 11, 2019 @09:43PM (#21229993)
This is why I kind of admire the biblical myths; their selective details and smoky metaphors have proven incredibly resilient to new truths, and invite so much speculation.

The garden of eden could be in some far flung galaxy, from which we “life”, were expelled as microbes, thanks to the sins of relatives we wouldn’t recognize. The rib of Adam could symbolize the arbitrary evolution of sexual reproduction from asexual origins. The forbidden fruit could represent some inevitable nuclear holocaust spurred on by some intra-species conflict, which prompted life to be cast out and begin on another planet. Something unique about our shape of life means that we’re stuck in a cycle of destructive evolution that cannot be saved from itself, excepting for the divine intervention of some less imperfect shape of life.

Anyways, I’m rambling! I hope this sparks somebody’s theological-scifi bug and produces a mildly entertaining narrative in somebody else’s head. :)

Re:I’m Convinced We Found Evidence of Life on Mars in the 1970s by justinator on Friday October 11, 2019 @11:08PM (#21230382)
It makes God's ultimate and unquestioning perfection in creating the Universe called essentially into question. If there is life on Mars, then it's no small leap to think there's life outside of the Solar System. What place then do we, as God's children have in the Universe, and in God's grand plan?

Stuff like that.