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Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by ohithereyou on Sunday October 06, 2019 @08:36PM (#21176246)
>Apple developers rewrite software in a butterfingered way on a consistent basis, creating software that lacks any design, missing large chunks of functionality and often lacks any kind of polish or coherency.

The day they completely gimped Disk Utility is the day I started looking to move off macOS.

Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by DonHopkins on Sunday October 06, 2019 @11:35PM (#21177142)
Please, many people consider that term offensive.

The politically correct wording is now "The day they completely photoshopped Disk Utility is the day I started looking to move off macOS."

Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by devy on Monday October 07, 2019 @01:49AM (#21177898)
Pardon my ignorance, what does "photoshopped Disk Utility" mean? I get the reference between GIMP vs. Photoshop, but what does it mean by "gimped/photoshopped" an application?
Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by toyg on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:04AM (#21177947)
It’s a joke: gimp as derogatory slang [0] should not be used, so you use... Photoshop.

[0] https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/gimp

Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by benj111 on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:59AM (#21178176)
Ok so before today I thought the issue was gimp masks and such.

Is this not the same as 'cripple'

If I call you a cripple, that's an insult, if I call some software crippled, that's acceptable?

The first definition I got btw was "A limp".

Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by nkrisc on Monday October 07, 2019 @07:33AM (#21179596)
Saying some software is crippled (adjective) is fine as you're using the word as its meant to be used (perhaps someone intentionally removed some critical capability). If you, for some reason, referred to some software as a "cripple" (noun), some people might find that offensive as you're using a deragotory term for someone with a physical disability as a way to express something as being undesirable or bad.

I don't know if you're a native English speaker or not, but one letter in this instance can make a big difference. The context is subtle but very different.

Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by benj111 on Monday October 07, 2019 @08:58AM (#21180201)
Gimped is an adjective just like crippled, thus my comparison.

I am (literally) a native English speaker, gimp isnt used much in the UK, as I said, I associate it more with gimp masks, so I'm trying to work out if it's a legitimate grievance, or if it's someone being overly PC for humours sake.

Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by nkrisc on Monday October 07, 2019 @09:12AM (#21180346)
Fair enough. In this case it seems like it was intended as a joke, but I could see somebody actually getting offended.

Also upon rereading my comment, I hope it didn't come across as condescending in any way, I didn't mean it to but it does line of read that way.

Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by pssflops on Monday October 07, 2019 @01:03PM (#21183195)
You could perhaps claim that perspective (gimp masks) as well, since they typically reduce motor range or flexibility.
Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by DDR0 on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:03AM (#21177938)
To gimp something means to severely reduce it's functionality. The photoshopped part is a joke; it doesn't mean anything.
Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by schlumpf on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:50AM (#21178132)
Using gimp as a verb can also be a sly reference to Pulp Fiction: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bring%20out%...
Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by sli on Monday October 07, 2019 @01:36PM (#21183636)
You've got it backwards. "Gimp" is also a BDSM term, which is what it's used for in Pulp Fiction.
Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by ohithereyou on Wednesday October 09, 2019 @06:53PM (#21209057)
Being called out by Don Hopkins makes my day.

Edit: On a serious note, thanks for pointing out my careless and potentially insulting word choice. My fiancee has an 'invisible illness' (lupus), and I would be very upset if someone referred to them like that, so I should strive to be better.

Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by ggggtez on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:53AM (#21178433)
Don't quit your day job.
Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by LeoNatan25 on Sunday October 06, 2019 @08:53PM (#21176337)
Yes, that's a good example. A software that was messed up, had crazy security bug and is still lacking. Why was a rewrite necessary? How cynical would be to say "the engineer of the day fancied Swift more than going into old code"? Sadly these days, I'm not sure this is so far-fetched.
Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by bitL on Sunday October 06, 2019 @09:10PM (#21176438)
> Why was a rewrite necessary?

Most likely because original authors were laid off or moved on; it's cheaper to rewrite software than to fix existing one; both need very different skillset and there are more people that can write their own algo quickly than fix somebody else's.

Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by userbinator on Sunday October 06, 2019 @10:08PM (#21176710)
cheaper to rewrite software than to fix existing one

That's a very shortsighted thought, because the rewrite has also introduced its own set of new bugs.

Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by LeoNatan25 on Sunday October 06, 2019 @09:44PM (#21176593)
I get this point. But coupled with lack of expertise & experience, lack of QA and lack of dependency tree (what feature is used where), the result can be amateurish at best and catastrophic at worst. In the case of DU, it was more the latter.

Again, the cynic in me can't accept the "cheaper" argument. Apple has lack of funds to properly hire people who are not afraid to go into complex existing code? I get this argument in a start-up environment, but won't accept it in the case of the largest tech company in the world. This is just bad management.

Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by blntechie on Monday October 07, 2019 @05:37AM (#21178964)
Apple is a multi billion dollar company and you are saying they couldn’t find a C/Obj. C developer to take care of their own app?

Also, developers in their nature like to rewrite things. There should be a product owner overruling them. I’m saying this as a developer myself. Otherwise you end up in a situation where images are running the asylum.

Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by bitL on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:24PM (#21184931)
Google is doing it all the time; it's not a question of money, it's that most developers don't want to work on old stuff they had minimal input on; it's easier to motivate with "hey, let's do new stuff" instead of "hey, fix these convoluted bugs original author wasn't able/willing to".
Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by blntechie on Thursday October 10, 2019 @04:05AM (#21212032)
Yes, this is creating lot of churn in terms of apps and user interfaces. Developers as I said before are motivated to build new things causing adverse problems like this situation here were perfectly good apps are being rewritten to an inferior state.
Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by mmcwilliams on Monday October 07, 2019 @02:21AM (#21178003)
Didn't the re-write happen around the time that Apple released and shifted to APFS? Not defending the new app, it is a huge misstep in my book, but it makes sense that there was a major overhaul to the Disk Utility app when they were introducing substantial new features for something as important as the file system.
Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by LeoNatan25 on Monday October 07, 2019 @03:39AM (#21178376)
I think both apps are a wrapper for diskutil or its underlying implementation. And UI-wise, APFS didn't warrant introduce any substantial UI changes, especially not ones that couldn't be added to the existing software.
Re:macOS no longer allows changing wifi mac address by mmcwilliams on Monday October 07, 2019 @08:54AM (#21180168)
They are but I was focusing on the impetus of the re-write, not defending the decision to hamstring the UI. I agree that it’s a regression but I think the patient was on the table when APFS came out and the new UI appears to have come at that point.