For what it’s worth, at least in Chromium’s implementation:

- The hosts file should still take effect (Chromium can read the hosts file and parse it already.)

- The DoH upgrading should not override your default resolver. It works by having a lookup table of providers that support DoH and using DoH if your provider supports it. The list can be seen here: https://cs.chromium.org/chromium/src/net/dns/dns_util.cc?q=D... (note: this URL may become stale over time; there’s ways to improve this but I am on mobile at the moment.)

For now.

Google sneezes and this is gone.

We didn't think they'd take away extensions' abilities to block ads, and yet here we are.

We've seriously got to pursue breaking this company up. They're the absolute worst.

That is a serious misrepresentation of what's happening with Manifest v3.

> serious misrepresentation

How is it a serious misrepresentation?

Manifest v3 cripples the ability to block ads.

Google is an ad company and has the largest browser market share by far.

How is this not abuse?

Google can claim that things like AMP are not intended to rope us into their walled garden, that it's all about improving performance. But at the end of the day, most of the moves they make further their goal of serving more ads.

In twenty years I wouldn't be too terribly surprised if independent websites are largely gone. Disappeared like IRC, RSS, blogging on your own website, and the like.

I'm sorry you disagree. I just don't like what I see happening.

My Chrome browser still perfectly blocks ads. The day it stops doing that, then you have a valid point. Until then, it's mostly fear mongering and misrepresenting the situation.

Ads are a much smaller threat than unscrupulous ISPs. They have access to ALL your traffic.

Only the unencrypted traffic, which is increasingly becoming just DNS. But even if all DNS was encrypted, the default DNS servers you hit are those of your ISP so they’d still have access in the common/default case

So don't use your ISP for DNS and use something encrypted like https://1.1.1.1/ or others.

Perhaps. I personally would still setup DoH at the router level. ISPs begone.

Would a local DoH server making going between different networks a little clunky? I have unbound handling dns at home but the old way lets the network define where to get dns information and/or allow for multiple options. Seems like Firefox doesn't have that flexibility yet.

This wouldn't make it into a large portion of consumer routers which are provided by the ISP.

Using Google's DNS, instead of your ISP's, won't your capability to block ads via your hosts file.

I agree with this perspective, it doesn’t make any difference on computers, but embedded devices and applications now have the ability to bypass DNS restrictions such as the pihole.

Personally, I would have liked to see strong privacy laws fill the gap, but it looks like DoH is here to stay now.