Nearly half of white Harvard students are athletes/children of alumni/donors

Re:Nearly half of white Harvard students are athletes/childr... by killjoywashere on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @05:27PM (#21130884)

Time for unpopular facts: Harvard is more proximate to Europe. Conversely, the UC system favors Asian international students over all others. One could argue Harvard is at least pro-US by comparison. Which is ironic considering they're a private institution, while the UC system is state-funded.

What's especially interesting to me is, based on Asian-American population demographics, those who feel most slighted by Harvard are probably on the West Coast.

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Re:Nearly half of white Harvard students are athletes/childr... by tathougies on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @05:40PM (#21131013)

According to UC Berkeley (https://internationaloffice.berkeley.edu/sites/default/files...), in 2018, they had 6569 international students enrolled out of a total of 42,519 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berk...).

This means that 15% of the UC population was international.

On the contrary, Harvard admits about 21% international students: https://www.collegefactual.com/colleges/harvard-university/s....

By that metric, UC berkeley is way more pro-America than Harvard, because UC berkeley educates more Americans as a percentage of its class.

You should probably attempt to cite facts when making statements.

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Re:Nearly half of white Harvard students are athletes/childr... by csboyer on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:08PM (#21131271)

Too lazy to break out the stats, but a fair comparison would be international undergrad and grad as opposed to the aggregate.

Harvard is actually a large graduate school that happens to teach some undergrads. Berkeley's main purpose is undergrad education.

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Re:Nearly half of white Harvard students are athletes/childr... by fireattack on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:13PM (#21131344)

He said UC system, your data is only for UCB.

Not saying his opinion is not baseless or wrong, but your rebuttal is flawed as well.

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Re:Nearly half of white Harvard students are athletes/childr... by tathougies on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:20PM (#21131421)

You're not wrong. The assumption was that UCB is broadly representative. Looking at the full system data: https://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/infocenter/fall-enrol...

Given my own knowledge of the UC system, berkeley seems the most international, which is why I thought simply citing berkeley would be enough. But, point taken. Let's look into the system data.

The total UC enrollment is 286271. Of this, there are 40219 Non-resident international students, which means there are 14% international students in the UC system as a whole. Thus, my using just berkeley actually shifted the data in my opponent's favor, since -- as I hypothesized -- Berkeley does indeed have more international students as a percentage of enrollment.

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Re:Nearly half of white Harvard students are athletes/childr... by fireattack on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:44PM (#21131672)

Thanks for the data.

Campus-wise, my anecdotal observation would be Irvine or Davis has most of international students by percentage, though.

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Re:Nearly half of white Harvard students are athletes/childr... by sagarm on Saturday October 12, 2019 @12:32AM (#21230698)

According to the data gp linked, Irvine and Davis are 16% and 27% white. If you were assuming all non-whites at Irvine or Davis were not American, let this be a teachable moment.

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Re:Nearly half of white Harvard students are athletes/childr... by tathougies on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:52PM (#21131743)

Perhaps you're right. I haven't visited either in years! When I was there last, UC Irvine had the most ethnic Asian students, but they were mostly Americans. That may have changed.

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Re:Nearly half of white Harvard students are athletes/childr... by oarabbus_ on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @05:55PM (#21131153)

>Time for unpopular facts: Harvard is more proximate to Europe. Conversely, the UC system favors Asian international students over all others. One could argue Harvard is at least pro-US by comparison.

How does favoring Europeans over Asians make it "pro-US"? Neither of those populations are American.

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Re:Nearly half of white Harvard students are athletes/childr... by travisoneill1 on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @08:05PM (#21132212)

Also UC doesn't favor Asians. It favors high test scores, as it should.

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Re:Nearly half of white Harvard students are athletes/childr... by apengwin on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @05:30PM (#21130916)

Right. By admitting mainly legacies and the old-rich, Harvard is just doing its patriotic duty.

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Re:Nearly half of white Harvard students are athletes/childr... by knolax on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:25PM (#21131486)

Imagine having a mental model of US demographics so bad that you think all Asian-Americans live on the West coast.

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Re:Nearly half of white Harvard students are athletes/childr... by wolco on Tuesday October 01, 2019 @06:40PM (#21131635)

Or couldn't apply in the easteen us because it's too far.

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