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Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by honkycat on Monday September 30, 2019 @03:17PM (#21118726)
This is happening on my home town. The hospital has been scaling back more and more. What was once a thriving hospital now only has 3 doctors.

Not due to demand, but because there are not enough doctors. Doctors do not want to live in a podunk town, no matter how much the hospitals are willing to pay.

Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by SolaceQuantum on Monday September 30, 2019 @03:27PM (#21118822)
Theoretically if the podunk town is willing to pay 5x, 10x, 100x, etc. A doctor would definitely take up that. Hell, I would do software development in a podunk town for a million dollar salary. Maybe even a 750k salary.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by beerandt on Monday September 30, 2019 @04:46PM (#21119521)
The best paying doctor jobs are in rural areas that can afford it. I believe the top paying EM (emergency medicine) positions last year were in the Dakotas. Think drilling boom-towns.

And it can easily be a 5x multiplier, sometimes more.

Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by CabSauce on Monday September 30, 2019 @03:41PM (#21118975)
They do literally pay almost 2x. And that's in towns where your dollar goes much, much further. It's effectively 5x. Doctors still don't want to go.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by delinka on Monday September 30, 2019 @03:51PM (#21119074)
Guess it's time to offer 3x. It's how supply and demand work, right?
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by disjhshava on Monday September 30, 2019 @04:49PM (#21119545)
Ultimately, there are not enough doctors to meet demand. Raising wages will just move them around. The supply of doctors is inelastic due to limited residency slots.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by refurb on Monday September 30, 2019 @08:20PM (#21120883)
You’re ignoring the back end where hospitals have to convince insurers to pay them that much.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by cpitman on Monday September 30, 2019 @04:01PM (#21119167)
Keep in mind, people have to pay for these services. Pay doesn't go up in a vacuum.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by lotsofpulp on Monday September 30, 2019 @07:47PM (#21120731)
Hence why all the talk about "cheap" cost of living is lacking. It's missing many quality of life components that many people value, resulting in its low nominal prices.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by oneepic on Monday September 30, 2019 @03:43PM (#21118994)
If they're willing to pay. Doctors are very sensitive to the pay issue these days. I'd imagine there are a ton of poor folks out there that would happily get treatment, but won't pay when they get that bill in the mail.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by scrumbledober on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:34PM (#21120311)
I would do software development from a podunk town if I could make the same amount as I do in the bay area.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by rohit2412 on Monday September 30, 2019 @03:33PM (#21118889)
Yeah that's a dynamic I can't understand. Most software professionals talk about relocating away from the cities the first chance they get, but everybody else is rushing to the same cities that only software developers seem to be able to afford.

This dynamic extends beyond usa. Even in India, doctors command high salaries in rural areas, often 2-3x what they can in metropolitan cities.

Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by novok on Monday September 30, 2019 @03:55PM (#21119115)
I think people are more talking about working towns and cities that aren't SF levels of prices, which can be non rural towns of +100k people.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by RandallBrown on Monday September 30, 2019 @08:09PM (#21120836)
"Most" is probably not the case at all.

I have several friends who talk about moving somewhere cheaper, but way more of them are perfectly happy to live in an awesome city with lots of stuff to do.

Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by aflag on Monday September 30, 2019 @04:02PM (#21119168)
The software engineers talk about it, but they never do it. Romanticising about moving to a simpler place is very different from actually doing it.

A developer is even more relocatable than the doctor. You can still work for a major company and you still have the big city market open to you, even if you live in a small town. Whereas for a doctor it's a major career change.

Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by thrower123 on Monday September 30, 2019 @03:34PM (#21118897)
I'd happily do my software job remotely in a podunk town for just my current salary. The dollars would go almost twice as far.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by honkycat on Monday September 30, 2019 @03:39PM (#21118946)
My friend, live in a podunk town for a while before you take that bargin xD

Though, to be fair, there are a ton of awesome NON-podunk little towns that are a delight to live in.

Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by thrower123 on Monday September 30, 2019 @03:47PM (#21119034)
I grew up in one, it'd be going home to the way life should be.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by HarryHirsch on Monday September 30, 2019 @04:03PM (#21119182)
Serious question: do you have children? The quality of schooling in large swathes of the country is abysmal.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by thrower123 on Monday September 30, 2019 @04:12PM (#21119255)
Unless you are shelling out a college tuition for a top-level private school for the connections that it gives, there's effectively no real difference in your public school options - absent completely abysmal warzone type places.

In any case, one will need to put in the effort to get one's children properly educated. A smaller school district probably gives more opportunities to experience a wider spectrum of activities anyway - I certainly wouldn't have been able to be a three sport athlete, take every shop class available, participate in math and geography competitions, and a whole host of other extra curricular activities in a bigger pool.

Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by coryrc on Monday September 30, 2019 @04:12PM (#21119259)
Your spouse can homeschool if you make that much.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by driverdan on Monday September 30, 2019 @03:49PM (#21119055)
Good news for you, there are tons of remote software jobs that allow you to live wherever you want.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by novok on Monday September 30, 2019 @03:56PM (#21119128)
And pay two thirds less. The qualifier is equal pay.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by driverdan on Monday September 30, 2019 @05:15PM (#21119714)
I've never seen a remote job that paid two thirds less. Some do pay less based on location but many don't.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by novok on Monday September 30, 2019 @10:25PM (#21121444)
I can choose 400k-500k compensation working at fang or I can choose 100-200k compensation working remotely.
Re:‘Out here, it’s just me’: one doctor for 11,000 square miles by rb808 on Monday September 30, 2019 @04:16PM (#21119287)
its disappointing that medical education is reserved for the best and brightest that unsurprisingly want to live in nice places. I have a friend that would love to be a rural doctor but didn't have the grades. They would have probably been smart enough to pass and be a great doctor, but the profession would rather have the highest academic scores.