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Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by faead_ on Sunday September 29, 2019 @04:26PM (#21109415)
he addressed in presentation, from what i remember it had a lot to do with cost. Like $130k/ton with carbon vs $3k/ton with steel. He mentioned a few other factors. Also it allowed them to build outside, not sure if t that is true in production.
Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by emilecantin on Sunday September 29, 2019 @08:34PM (#21110715)
As he said in the presentation, it was because at cryogenic temperatures (which is the important part when you're building a liquid oxygen / methane tank) 301 stainless is actually _stronger_ than Al / carbon fiber. It also handles heat much better, which allows you to have a much thinner heatshield.

Both characteristics combine to give a lighter rocket than one built out of Al / carbon fiber.

The price is just the cherry on top.

Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by allannienhuis on Sunday September 29, 2019 @04:34PM (#21109455)
the material isn't the question, it's why they had to weld it together in a patchwork quilt. Elon talked about the next version would simply have rolled coils with a single seam weld (although the cylinders would have to be welded together too), which would be better structurally and cosmetically, and likely lower cost of production. Sounds like they just didn't have the rolling machines to do the job, or perhaps there was an availability issue with the specific alloy.
Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by _Microft on Sunday September 29, 2019 @04:41PM (#21109503)
It will reduce the length of the welds (for the hull) quite a bit.

The number of rings is roughly 35 for Starship, with about ten vertical seams each.

For easier thinking, line the vertical seams up and you see that this gives 50m length per vertical seam from bottom to top of Starship. So there are a total of 500m for that.

35 rings with ~28m circumference add up to about 1km of seams between them.

Now if they can use rolls twice as wide and only a single vertical weld each, then that's 500m between the rings and 50m for a single vertical seam. 550m of welds there instead of 1.5m before. This should speed things up quite a lot and reduce the cost of labour.

Raptor production is the real bottleneck, though.

Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by x3n0ph3n3 on Sunday September 29, 2019 @07:52PM (#21110456)
The way I understood the presenation, they plan to use a single piece of steal, bent at an angle and rolled around (think one of those Pillsbury roll cans) with a single weld seem, in a giant helix.
Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by jcims on Sunday September 29, 2019 @05:34PM (#21109751)
>Raptor production is the real bottleneck, though.

They are shooting for one per day, no? Based on the differences identified in the three hanging under the Boca Chica vehicle now, it’s still in development.

Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by JshWright on Sunday September 29, 2019 @05:46PM (#21109808)
They just shipped he 12th one. Definitely still in the development/ramp up process.
Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by de_watcher on Monday September 30, 2019 @03:30AM (#21112592)
He said that it's about one per week. One per day will be in several months.
Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by emilecantin on Sunday September 29, 2019 @08:38PM (#21110743)
> although the cylinders would have to be welded together too

No, they'll do a helical weld, exactly like large pipes (like this: http://www.xysteelpipe.com/upload/201512118145340710.jpg)

You basically need to do that as the steel rolls off the press, though, which is why they didn't do that for Mk I. They'll need to cold roll the steel onsite.

Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by 4684455 on Sunday September 29, 2019 @10:51PM (#21111383)
They will not do a helical weld because the steel's thickness varies from the top to the bottom of the cylinder, according to Elon Musk. https://twitter.com/HarryStoltz1/status/1162595874561617920 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1162601447235604480?lang...
Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by bluthru on Sunday September 29, 2019 @05:36PM (#21109764)
And then you can make it a spiral of steel to eliminate the vertical welds.
Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by elihu on Sunday September 29, 2019 @06:04PM (#21109895)
He also talked about how stainless steel has a high melting point (which means their re-entry heat shield doesn't need to be as thick) and gets stronger rather than weaker at very low temperatures.
Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by baybal2 on Sunday September 29, 2019 @05:34PM (#21109745)
Imagine the autoclave the size of a rocket.

Composite tanks on few rockets being flown with them are made in one of a kind, purpose built autoclaves

Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by greglindahl on Sunday September 29, 2019 @08:47PM (#21110796)
Out-of-autoclave methods are mature and common these days.
Re:Starship Prototype Unveiled by baybal2 on Monday September 30, 2019 @04:06AM (#21112769)
Do they get you the same strength, fill ratio, and allow for usage with aerospace specialty epoxies?