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Re:Grumman X-29: An impossible fighter jet with inverted wings by jaytaylor on Sunday September 29, 2019 @12:24PM (#21107923)
Is this really called an "inverted wing", I've always heard such configurations referred to as "forward swept wings".

For reference, see the Russian Su-47.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi_Su-47

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forward-swept_wing

Re:Grumman X-29: An impossible fighter jet with inverted wings by sandworm101 on Sunday September 29, 2019 @12:36PM (#21108001)
Ya, inverted wing means something else, a wing tuned for inverted flight... at which point it becomes just a normal plane with the pilots seat upside down.
Re:Grumman X-29: An impossible fighter jet with inverted wings by onion2k on Sunday September 29, 2019 @04:37PM (#21109473)
Is that actually a thing? Landings would be terrifying.
Re:Grumman X-29: An impossible fighter jet with inverted wings by Stevvo on Sunday September 29, 2019 @05:35PM (#21109755)
It's not a thing, however acrobatic aircraft often have symmetrical airfoils, such that they can fly inverted.
Re:Grumman X-29: An impossible fighter jet with inverted wings by brandmeyer on Sunday September 29, 2019 @07:34PM (#21110358)
> such that they can fly inverted.

Make that, such that inverted flight has the same stall margins as normal flight.

Re:Grumman X-29: An impossible fighter jet with inverted wings by Stevvo on Monday September 30, 2019 @06:25AM (#21113468)
Right, even a Cub with its flat-bottomed USA-35B will fly inverted, but in terms of angle-of-attack you would have no room for error, and the gravity-fed fuel system is going to cause you some problems too.
Re:Grumman X-29: An impossible fighter jet with inverted wings by djsumdog on Sunday September 29, 2019 @03:16PM (#21109070)
I guess there's not much information on the Su47 since it was military, USSR, etc. The X-29 required several flight computers to make micro adjustments to keep the plane stable. I wonder if the Russians had to design something similar with the X-29 .. and if not, how did they keep it stable?
Re:Grumman X-29: An impossible fighter jet with inverted wings by baybal2 on Sunday September 29, 2019 @04:16PM (#21109377)
> how did they keep it stable?

I don't see anything unstable there. It's surely very long, and the wing is way behind the centre of mass, so the centre of aerodynamic forces will be behind it too. Cannards look to be put way ahead of centre of mass too.

Re:Grumman X-29: An impossible fighter jet with inverted wings by nwallin on Sunday September 29, 2019 @06:26PM (#21109990)
They're fairly unstable.

The trouble is that at the wingtips, if the wing twists up, aerodynamics forces tend to push it more up. So there's a positive feedback loop.

Another problem is that if you yaw slightly, the yawed backward wing gets more straight on airflow, and the forward wing gets less, causing a stronger yaw force. Again, positive feedback loop.

Re:Grumman X-29: An impossible fighter jet with inverted wings by Bendingo on Sunday September 29, 2019 @11:16PM (#21111506)
> Another problem is that if you yaw slightly, the yawed backward wing gets more straight on airflow, and the forward wing gets less, causing a stronger yaw force

According to geometry, this problem must also occur with conventional backward swept wings.

Re:Grumman X-29: An impossible fighter jet with inverted wings by p_l on Monday September 30, 2019 @12:39AM (#21111819)
The geometry makes forward swept wing destabilize further, while classic design self-stabilizes (or oscillates).

That said, slight forward swept had been used for years in many planes, it's the more extreme angles that get the fun mentions.

Re:Grumman X-29: An impossible fighter jet with inverted wings by sdinsn on Sunday September 29, 2019 @06:12PM (#21109939)
The Su-47 is discussed in the article.
Re:Grumman X-29: An impossible fighter jet with inverted wings by Someone on Sunday September 29, 2019 @12:59PM (#21108153)
FTA, second sentence after the title:

”Its astonishing forward-swept wings were just one of its many bold innovations.”

I count 8 occurrences of “forward-swept”, and 4 of “inverted wing”.

I think they used ‘inverted wing’ as a synonym to prevent repetition of a fairly long term. It also is quite possible that the editor, not the writer of the article, chose the article’s title, picking the shorter and, arguably, ‘easier’ term.