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Re:Starship Update by duskwuff on Saturday September 28, 2019 @10:13PM (#21104558)
Nice find! Near the end, the author directly addresses this question:

> If the radius of our planet were larger, there could be a point at which an Earth escaping rocket could not be built. Let us assume that building a rocket at 96% propellant (4% rocket), currently the limit for just the Shuttle External Tank, is the practical limit for launch vehicle engineering. Let us also choose hydrogen-oxygen, the most energetic chemical propellant known and currently capable of use in a human rated rocket engine. By plugging these numbers into the rocket equation, we can transform the calculated escape velocity into its equivalent planetary radius. That radius would be about 9680 kilometers (Earth is 6670 km). If our planet was 50% larger in diameter, we would not be able to venture into space, at least using rockets for transport.

Re:Starship Update by wolf550e on Saturday September 28, 2019 @11:08PM (#21104784)
There are more efficient propellants than hydrolox, but extremely toxic [1]. With a bigger planet, we would have been forced to use either those or nuclear propulsion to get to space.

1 - https://space.stackexchange.com/questions/19852/where-is-the...

Re:Starship Update by acidburnNSA on Saturday September 28, 2019 @10:51PM (#21104714)
Not using chemical rockets. Nuclear propulsion would be able to do it with the ~1000000x energy density advantage of nuclear fuel over chemical fuel.
Re:Starship Update by Baeocystin on Sunday September 29, 2019 @12:54AM (#21105166)
I remember seeing a simple demonstrator some years back of a laser pulsing against the backside of a spinning disc, the geometry of things causing the heat from the laser to provide thrust.

I can't find the video I saw, but here's a general link on the topic:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_propulsion#Laser_energiz...

This comes with many problems, but it does bypass the rocket equation, while not requiring Project Orion levels of trouble.

Re:Starship Update by rocqua on Sunday September 29, 2019 @05:36AM (#21106080)
I mean you still need to carry propellant: the stuff that is ablated away. It's just that the exhaust velocity is much higher.
Re:Starship Update by king07828 on Sunday September 29, 2019 @09:00AM (#21106787)
Air from the atmosphere may be the propellant [1]. If sufficient velocity can be achieved before leaving the atmosphere, then no propellant is needed to be carried up on the way to orbit.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhUasBcoj-Q

Re:Starship Update by nine_k on Sunday September 29, 2019 @12:07AM (#21105008)
The problem is that the super-dense energy of a nuclear blast also evaporates solids and rains gamma rays on everything around.

Imagine how hard space exploration would be if the only practical rocket were a Project Orion.

Re:Starship Update by jccooper on Sunday September 29, 2019 @12:23PM (#21107915)
Nuclear would be better, but it's not quite as good as it seems. Nuclear engines are rather heavier than chemical.