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Re:Starship Update by happytoexplain on Saturday September 28, 2019 @09:53PM (#21104483)
I wonder how much this could be mitigated by extra-rocket energy delivered while the rocket is still close to the ground - e.g. a cartoonishly large slingshot.
Re:Starship Update by sdenton4 on Sunday September 29, 2019 @12:45AM (#21105130)
Unfortunately, drag force is proportional to the square of velocity... So the slingshot (or railgun or whatever) maybe gives you a nice acceleration at the start, but a LOT of that initial force will bleed off as drag early in the flight in the thick thick low atmosphere.

(Consider the difference in difficulty of riding a bike at 15mph vs 16mph and 25mph vs 26mph... 25->26 requires a hell of a lot more effort, all due to drag.)

Re:Starship Update by wahern on Sunday September 29, 2019 @01:30AM (#21105287)
Or you could just launch from a 12 mile tall tower: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ThothX_Tower
Re:Starship Update by philwelch on Sunday September 29, 2019 @07:52AM (#21106512)
Or a Lofstrom loop: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Launch_loop

Or you could fly a high-altitude airplane into a skyhook: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skyhook_%28structure%29

Re:Starship Update by derekp7 on Saturday September 28, 2019 @10:26PM (#21104622)
There's also using chemical rockets for the first stage, then switching to nuclear for the second stage once clear enough of the ground to minimize fallout. Radiation pollution wouldn't be pleasant, but future advances could potentially minimize that also.
Re:Starship Update by marktangotango on Saturday September 28, 2019 @11:10PM (#21104786)
NERVA XE was damn near ready to fly during the Apollo era for Mars missions. Would've made a hell of 2nd stage engine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NERVA

Re:Starship Update by drusepth on Saturday September 28, 2019 @10:00PM (#21104504)
Or a comically large refueling hose hooked up until it hits orbit. I guess in that case you'd probably be fighting gravity even more trying to push fuel up the hose.
Re:Starship Update by mey on Saturday September 28, 2019 @10:12PM (#21104556)
Ground laser propulsion has been considered. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_propulsion