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Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by nitwit005 on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:14PM (#21077531)
Essentially everyone has stolen at some point in their lives, and almost everyone has gone into private property they theoretically shouldn't have gone into.

My door has a lock, but must adults could get in by kicking it a few times with determination. That's true of most locks in existence. They're there to stop people who don't actually want to cause any real damage.

Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by spinach on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @10:45PM (#21077686)
> Essentially everyone has stolen at some point in their lives

Isn't this a fairly wild claim? I've never stolen anything and can't imagine doing so. That's a pretty dismal view of the human race isn't it.

Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by culturestate on Thursday September 26, 2019 @12:14AM (#21078086)
I don’t think they’re suggesting that everyone on earth has purposefully become a thief at one point, but that sometimes it just happens.

I’ve definitely walked out of a supermarket with a bottle of water that I picked up while shopping and forgot to pay for - I still stole it, even if unintentionally.

Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by journalctl on Thursday September 26, 2019 @01:22AM (#21078436)
How often do you unintentionally walk into someone’s unlocked house and steal something, though?
Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by tlb on Thursday September 26, 2019 @02:15AM (#21078700)
In the Canadian North, it's traditional to leave your summer cabin unlocked over the winter so that if someone is lost in the woods they can come in and warm up. It wasn't unusual to come back find that someone had used it over the winter.
Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by input_sh on Thursday September 26, 2019 @01:29AM (#21078470)
I've unintentionally stolen dozens of lighters from the houses I've visited while I was a smoker.
Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by kelnos on Thursday September 26, 2019 @01:29AM (#21078473)
That's... not what the parent upthread said, though.
Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by csomar on Thursday September 26, 2019 @03:48AM (#21079048)
> I’ve definitely walked out of a supermarket with a bottle of water that I picked up while shopping and forgot to pay for - I still stole it, even if unintentionally.

You only steal it if you realize it and don't return back to pay. Happened with me a few times, the cashiers will really appreciate it.

Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by freeflight on Thursday September 26, 2019 @06:39AM (#21079744)
Does that also apply when the cashier gives you too much/not enough return cash?

A while ago my to-go order from McD somehow included an extra cheeseburger.

Was that maybe a "present" by the company to a loyal customer? Should I have gone back and paid for a cheeseburger I never ordered? But if I give it back to them, they would just throw it in the trash anyway because they can't sell it to another customer.

Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by _carl_jung on Thursday September 26, 2019 @04:57AM (#21079322)
I did this with an entire rucksack full of groceries once when I was tired and used the self-checkout. When I came back the cashiers expressed surprise that I even did!
Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by nitwit005 on Thursday September 26, 2019 @01:34AM (#21078487)
You complained about the theft claim, but not the trespassing claim, so it seems I still need that lock to keep you from wandering in.

You probably have stolen something, even if it's just a failure to return a book you borrowed from someone, or office supplies that wandered off with you (pens vanish like you wouldn't belive).

Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by userbinator on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:39PM (#21077947)
Digitally, I'd say yes (depending on your viewpoints of IP.) Physically, no.
Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by benj111 on Thursday September 26, 2019 @02:30AM (#21078759)
Ikea pencils?
Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by asjw on Thursday September 26, 2019 @04:40AM (#21079266)
Stealing a pen at the supermarket or entering the neighborhood's garden qualify as being a kid doing stupid stuff

Breaking into someone else's house with the intent of stealing it's something completely different

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Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by tallanvor on Thursday September 26, 2019 @04:56AM (#21079319)
Eh? Inward opening doors are common everywhere I've been. US, Britain, Norway, Germany, etc. For apartment buildings, the outer door might be outward opening, but after that everything is inward opening.
Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by mjlee on Thursday September 26, 2019 @07:54AM (#21080062)
Good luck escaping a fire if your outward opening door is blocked by falling debris.

An extreme example for sure, but there are pros and cons.

(Sliding door might not be the answer either: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/katienotopoulos/brave-t... )

Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by djmips on Thursday September 26, 2019 @04:59AM (#21079340)
Inward opening doors are also less safe when a bunch of people have to escape quickly.
Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by freeflight on Thursday September 26, 2019 @06:44AM (#21079761)
Afaik outwards opening doors are more of an Asian thing, in Eastern Europe, it's a bit mixed but in most of Western Europe it's pretty much all inward opening.
Re:Drilling open a smart door lock in 4 seconds by kube-system on Thursday September 26, 2019 @09:44AM (#21080808)
Which is why most fire codes don’t allow them on buildings with a bunch of people in them.