News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by girvo on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @01:03AM (#21067761)
Near 50% effectiveness is quite a bit better than the (in my opinion) 0% effectiveness of prayer
Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by komali2 on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @03:12AM (#21068473)
That's not opinion - no study has shown prayer to have any effectiveness on flu symptoms.
Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by wongarsu on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @05:20AM (#21069085)
I'm not aware of any studies showing that it has no effect either.

If I had to guess I would estimate a prayer to be as effective as a placebo, but to proclaim that as fact seems a bit unscientific.

Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by Lio on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @06:24AM (#21069349)
There has been quite a bit of study of intercessory prayer. i.e. for people that don't know they are being prayed for.

No affects have been found.

> In 1872, the Victorian scientist Francis Galton made the first statistical analysis of third-party prayer. He hypothesized, partly as satire, that if prayer were effective, members of the British Royal Family would live longer than average, given that thousands prayed for their well-being every Sunday, and he prayed over randomized plots of land to see whether the plants would grow any faster, and found no correlation in either case.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_intercessory_prayer

Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by thinkingemote on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @06:32AM (#21069386)
The wiki page contradicts your statement about "no effects".

there's been a number of studies showing lots of effects. Most studies seem to show slight positive effects from prayer, some show none and some show negative effects.

Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by Lio on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @06:35AM (#21069396)
From the wikipage:

> Meta-studies of the literature in the field have been performed showing evidence only for no effect or a potentially small effect.

I'm an atheist so I take the "no effect" over the "small effect".

Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by pdpi on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @07:47AM (#21069779)
You don’t get to take the “no effect” over the “small effect” just because you’re an atheist. That is precisely what taking faith over data looks like!
Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by Lio on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @08:44AM (#21070194)
My answers would be that we're arguing over statistical noise.

I take what I consider to be the simplest explanation in the absence of a credible alternative, that prayer does nothing when the recipient is unaware of it.

I take that view because I've never heard an alternative explaination that didn't appear to break the second law of thermodynamics.

Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by ru999gol on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:18AM (#21070455)
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

A magical, invisible, omnipresent, omnipotent "all known laws of nature defying"-being that answers prayers, requires significantly more evidence than a small effect in some meta study.

Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by pdpi on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:30AM (#21070562)
Absolutely. My point is that "I'm an atheist so I'll take the option that agrees with my personal beliefs" isn't a valid line of reasoning. You could symmetrically argue "I'm a catholic so I'll take the option that suggests there is an effect, albeit a small one". Now we're just arguing whose personal beliefs are right.

A more properly scientific line of reasoning would be to instead say that you'll assume the small-to-nonexistent effect is nonexistent until somebody produces a model capable of predicting the proposed small effect, or a myriad other arguments along the same general lines.

Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by jjeaff on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @04:31AM (#21068885)
I think your opinion is wrong. Even placebo has a higher than 0% effectiveness.
Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by sooheon on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @06:22AM (#21069343)
I assume they're testing prayer without the recipient's knowledge, to control for placebo.
Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by jjeaff on Sunday October 06, 2019 @02:19AM (#21170178)
Sounds like an improper use of prayer then. The refrain "I'm praying for you" isn't meant to be some kind of conspicuous display of faith.
Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by mensetmanusman on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @07:04AM (#21069533)
The person praying knows they are praying...