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Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by pdpi on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @07:47AM (#21069779)
You don’t get to take the “no effect” over the “small effect” just because you’re an atheist. That is precisely what taking faith over data looks like!
Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by Lio on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @08:44AM (#21070194)
My answers would be that we're arguing over statistical noise.

I take what I consider to be the simplest explanation in the absence of a credible alternative, that prayer does nothing when the recipient is unaware of it.

I take that view because I've never heard an alternative explaination that didn't appear to break the second law of thermodynamics.

Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by ru999gol on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:18AM (#21070455)
extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

A magical, invisible, omnipresent, omnipotent "all known laws of nature defying"-being that answers prayers, requires significantly more evidence than a small effect in some meta study.

Re:Bike crash left Spokane man unconscious, so his Apple Wat... by pdpi on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @09:30AM (#21070562)
Absolutely. My point is that "I'm an atheist so I'll take the option that agrees with my personal beliefs" isn't a valid line of reasoning. You could symmetrically argue "I'm a catholic so I'll take the option that suggests there is an effect, albeit a small one". Now we're just arguing whose personal beliefs are right.

A more properly scientific line of reasoning would be to instead say that you'll assume the small-to-nonexistent effect is nonexistent until somebody produces a model capable of predicting the proposed small effect, or a myriad other arguments along the same general lines.