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Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by sbmthakur on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @10:25AM (#21060493)
Not just the land but also Real Estate in big cities.

A lot of Real Estate deals happened with significant cash percentage so that people could cheat with Stamp duty and Registration. At the same time, this also inflated the prices , thereby making them unaffordable to a large section of society.

Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by kylehotchkiss on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @10:47AM (#21060767)
American (who spends lots of time in India) here: what is stamp duty and registration? I see a lot of stamp paper and still don't really understand what it is
Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by csomar on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @12:37PM (#21061988)
Think about it as the weak government trick to collect taxes. Government is weak and can't enforce tax collection: i.e 99% of citizens will still not comply even if you are aggressive in auditing. So instead, they collect taxes where you can't escape them.

Since you need to register land/house at the national registry (or similar), they require that you pay a tax before you can execute such a registration. Obviously, you can lie here but at least they are getting something out of it. Other tricks are taxes when you are leaving the country (buy a stamp so that you can board a plane), arbitrarily giving tickets on highways, super high taxes on telecommunication, cars and other stuff where you need to go through government, taxes collected by municipality go to the government instead, etc...

It'd be interesting to study all countries and deduce that if a government is using these measures then it is a failed government.

Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by aviraldg on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @12:49PM (#21062129)
> Other tricks are taxes when you are leaving the country (buy a stamp so that you can board a plane)

What is this about? Genuinely curious. (Indian, and I haven't heard of this before.)

Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by csomar on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @06:22PM (#21065258)
Basically you buy a stamp before being able to travel.
Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by ppmanik on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @03:06AM (#21068447)
You mean passport?
Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by csomar on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @04:19AM (#21068830)
No a stamp. A real stamp that you show to the immigration officer. And you have to buy a new one every time you travel.
Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by aviraldg on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @12:02PM (#21072033)
Again, this is the first I'm hearing of this. Do you have a link that explains this?
Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by selimthegrim on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @10:59AM (#21060890)
Pakistani-American here - land transfers in subcontinent are carried out by first going to the local patwari (clerk) in charge of land revenue records. Stamp duty and and registration is charged after that on declared transfer price of the property, so cash portion is under the table and not subject to it

https://joshandmakinternational.com/legal-procedure-pertaini...

Source: family selling a house in Karachi

Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by selimthegrim on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:36AM (#21061290)
As a note, that site is out of date for Punjab, in 2017 they combined a lot of taxes under stamp duty (not relevant to me obviously)
Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by rohan_shah on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:03AM (#21060928)
So black money is equally prevalent in Pakistan also? Another sign of our strong bond, connection and brotherhood! xD
Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by yogesch on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:12AM (#21061038)
Not Paki, but aware of their situation.

It is not "equally" prevalent. It is at least an order of magnitude worse. Almost everything in Pak is about an order of magnitude worse than in India. Almost everything, except civic violence - that's about 2-3 orders of magnitude worse. The establishment has traditionally had other priorities. The current PM is trying to fix some things but faces tremendous pushback.

Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by yogesch on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:08AM (#21060990)
https://gharpedia.com/stamp-paper-judicial-non-judicial-stam...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stamped_paper

Quote from wiki - "The use of stamped paper in the American colonies was so unpopular that it has been credited with sowing the seeds of the American Revolution"

Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by ssivark on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:56AM (#21061508)
Suppose you wish to register ownership of a house/car/etc. The government might want to collect taxes at that point. Instead of asking that you remit money with the specific agency, you are asked to buy "govt authorized stamps" (from a central agency) worth the same amount and affix it to the registration documents as proof of payment.
Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by rohan_shah on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @10:59AM (#21060892)
When you buy a property, you have to register the property (on your name) with the local government body (generally the Municipal Corporation).

The fee paid here is calculated as a percentage of the price paid for the land/property. So everyone buys (on paper) at exactly the ready reckoner rates (the minimum prices) and then pay the minimum taxes (or registration fees). While in reality the prices are way higher than the ready reckoner prices (generally 5 to 10 times) and so the rest of the price is paid in cash (unaccounted black money).

If I may ask: Where in India so you like to spend your time in terms of urban/rural India? Have you found any life-threats just because you're a foreigner?

Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by kranner on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:28AM (#21061205)
> While in reality the prices are way higher than the ready reckoner prices (generally 5 to 10 times)

Sub-registrars often refuse to value the property at the ready reckoner price. I've seen transactions where the registered value was more than 60% of the actual value, though this is in an urban area.

Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by sifar on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:02AM (#21060923)
Basically when you buy any property in India, you have to get your name as the owner in the historical record of the owners with the Land Registrar. This is the registration which is around 3-4% of the property value. The respective states also charge 2-3% for the sale.
Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by pkaye on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @12:33PM (#21061956)
Do you have an yearly property tax also?
Re:From Underwear to Cars, India’s Economy Is Fraying by sifar on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @12:50PM (#21062140)
Yes, that you pay to the city.