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Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices by spectramax on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @02:18AM (#21057073)
I want to imagine the world with China as a democracy only to assure the world that xenophobia is the first thing that comes to mind when people take an anti-China stance and as a reminder that Chinese culture, their arts, the land and the people are wonderful. I am against this dystopian overwhelmingly powerful and suppressive government.

I imagine if 1989 was a turning moment for Democracy in China.

Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices by missosoup on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @02:34AM (#21057152)
The wonderful culture and arts you're thinking about is historical. It doesn't really exist in China now. It was mostly wiped out during The Great Leap Forward, along with 30 million people give or take.

Fun fact: advanced Traditional Chinese Medicine practitioners travel from China to Japan to learn. Japan preserved records of the TCM knowledge that China destroyed during the great leap.

Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices by UIZealot on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @03:36AM (#21057475)
Fun fact: Traditional Chinese Medicine is mostly a bunch of useless horseshit.

Too bad the great leap didn't totally destroy it.

Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices by missosoup on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @12:41PM (#21062044)
Information should never be destroyed. There is a treasure trove of obsolete but preserved cultural knowledge out there, and China is a bit of a dark spot because of the great leap.

Preserving historical knowledge is not the same as perpetuating it or believing it's effective. Keeping a record of what societies did what is extremely important, regardless of whether it worked. If nothing else, so that a particular failed avenue of research isn't pursued again.

Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices by powerapple on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @02:51AM (#21057237)
Not they preserve Chinese artifacts. China has been invaded so many times, the collapse of governments had led foreigners to scoop artifacts from China at no cost. Look at British Museum, Lourve. It happened to all countries have suffered from war. Japanese took most books, paintings, because those are not seen as valuable for westerners. British took most vase, china.
Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices by friendlybus on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @02:54AM (#21057254)
GLF was terrible, but the west shares a shame in throwing away our intellectual and cultural pursuits. There's an argument that a very long time ago, the islamic intellectual tradition preserved enlightenment values whilst we were off doing other things. I don't know the gritty details of the argument, so I'd be the first to say I'm wrong.
Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices by philipov on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @02:57AM (#21057268)
I think you mean they preserved Greek and Roman knowledge, which was the basis of the Renaissance. The Enlightenment was a few hundred years later, and consisted of new ideas.
Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices by barry-cotter on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @07:41AM (#21058872)
They didn’t just preserve Greek and Roman knowledge. Averroes, Avicenna, the Mutazilites, al-Razi, Maimonides, al-Farabi and others made enormous and original contributions to philosophy, medicine, chemistry and other fields. The Renaissance and the Enlightenment would have been unrecognizably different without the contributions of the thinkers of the Islamic world.
Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices by missosoup on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @12:36PM (#21061971)
Can you suggest some reading materials to those who want to know more about this?
Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices by barry-cotter on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:05AM (#21071438)
My knowledge of this period is very shallow and mostly comes from the History of Phiosophy Without Any Gaps podcast. Lost Enlightenment is probably the best place to start.

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00F8MIJMQ/geneexpre...

Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices by barry-cotter on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @03:40AM (#21057494)
The Enlightenment was something new under the sun. The Islamic Golden Age was intellectually impressive but nothing in it presages the ideas of individualism and freedom that are at the heart of the Enlightenment project.
Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices by hoseja on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @08:36AM (#21059386)
The heart of the Enlightenment project is the realization that educated, non-poor citizens are more effective at waging war with other countries.
Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices by barry-cotter on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:19AM (#21061121)
That’s not an accurate description of the military revolution that began with Revolutionary France and the levée en masse or of the Prussian General Staff system, the two major military organizational innovations of the Enlightenment era. Prussia and France both had mass armies but neither was terribly well educated, officers aside, and calling Prussian subjects citizens is misleading in the extreme. It suggests participation in political life that was restricted to a tiny segment of the population.
Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices by WanderPanda on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @02:39AM (#21057176)
As well as many of their people...