Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices
by friendlybus on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @02:54AM
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GLF was terrible, but the west shares a shame in throwing away our intellectual and cultural pursuits. There's an argument that a very long time ago, the islamic intellectual tradition preserved enlightenment values whilst we were off doing other things. I don't know the gritty details of the argument, so I'd be the first to say I'm wrong.
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Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices
by philipov on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @02:57AM
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I think you mean they preserved Greek and Roman knowledge, which was the basis of the Renaissance. The Enlightenment was a few hundred years later, and consisted of new ideas.
Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices
by barry-cotter on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @07:41AM
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They didn’t just preserve Greek and Roman knowledge. Averroes, Avicenna, the Mutazilites, al-Razi, Maimonides, al-Farabi and others made enormous and original contributions to philosophy, medicine, chemistry and other fields. The Renaissance and the Enlightenment would have been unrecognizably different without the contributions of the thinkers of the Islamic world.
Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices
by missosoup on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @12:36PM
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Can you suggest some reading materials to those who want to know more about this?
Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices
by barry-cotter on Wednesday September 25, 2019 @11:05AM
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My knowledge of this period is very shallow and mostly comes from the History of Phiosophy Without Any Gaps podcast. Lost Enlightenment is probably the best place to start.
https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00F8MIJMQ/geneexpre...
Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices
by barry-cotter on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @03:40AM
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The Enlightenment was something new under the sun. The Islamic Golden Age was intellectually impressive but nothing in it presages the ideas of individualism and freedom that are at the heart of the Enlightenment project.
Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices
by hoseja on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @08:36AM
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The heart of the Enlightenment project is the realization that educated, non-poor citizens are more effective at waging war with other countries.
Re:Life in China Is Getting Harder With High Prices
by barry-cotter on Tuesday September 24, 2019 @11:19AM
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That’s not an accurate description of the military revolution that began with Revolutionary France and the levée en masse or of the Prussian General Staff system, the two major military organizational innovations of the Enlightenment era. Prussia and France both had mass armies but neither was terribly well educated, officers aside, and calling Prussian subjects citizens is misleading in the extreme. It suggests participation in political life that was restricted to a tiny segment of the population.