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Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by busterarm on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:05PM (#21050903)
Sixth airline to shut down in the last 12 months.
Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by chrisseaton on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:08PM (#21050929)
I think the airline part of their business was pretty minor, only a few aircraft, and they were considering selling it anyway. It's not really a story about an airline shutting down.
Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by meristem on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:14PM (#21050982)
94 aircraft.
Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by chrisseaton on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:17PM (#21051008)
No they only had 34 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49791249) - others were branded but actually a different company which is possibly able to continue independently thanks to the German government.
Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by meristem on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:59PM (#21051565)
Huh, I see that on the BBC side, thanks. Guardian had the number as 94. This could be a typo then, as the Thomas Cook Group (all subs) has 105 planes registered, 34 of which by UK sub
Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by stupidcar on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:19PM (#21051032)
This article has them as the 11th largest West European airline: https://centreforaviation.com/analysis/reports/aircraft-flee...
Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by glofish on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:08PM (#21050932)
I wonder how many of Europe's super cheap airlines are losing money.

If more fail there might be a domino effect as so many places have come to rely on tourism.

Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by HenryBemis on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:26PM (#21051133)
Ryanair and Wizzair are notorious to make profit out of every ticket. They live to NOT lose money. Yes some tickets do sell for £5 and some sell for £250 or more, depending the date/time you buy it.

My shock is how companies like Thomas Cook manage to survive by constantly selling below cost just to keep alive. In my mind this is just another Uber, it only stays alive because people just keep throwing money at it. I wouldn't be surprised if TUI, Itaka, and others follow suite.

I am always shocked to see their prices for a 5-6-7 day trip, at a fraction of what I would have paid. I do know that scaling reduces prices, but well.. apparently not really.. like the PIIGS economies the moment lending froze, Thomas went under.

Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by glofish on Monday September 23, 2019 @03:04PM (#21052353)
They sure nickel and dime - but still, even after that, I can't believe how cheap flights can be. And if you buy tickets in advance then (compared to US) it feels like a rounding error to my spending, impossible to break even - there is no way you don't cost more than $5 bucks to fly.

I always wonder, are they really masters of profitability or some sort of scheme going on.

Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by jonatron on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:35PM (#21051261)
According to Wikipedia, 20% of Ryanair's revenue is ancillary (not tickets)
Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by busterarm on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:57PM (#21051533)
Apparently people will pay a premium to be treated like a human.

United has been finding this out here states-side. Options that used to be standard for a class of seating are now upsold-options for more than the delta of the ticket price. Because fuck you, that's why.

Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by Ahwleung on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:22PM (#21051078)
Wouldn't the failure of competitors and decrease in available flights result in the opposite? The surviving economy airlines will have more demand, higher prices, and will do better as a result?

Disclaimer: I have no knowledge or expertise in this field other than being subscribed to Wendover Productions.

Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by glofish on Monday September 23, 2019 @03:09PM (#21052422)
In an optimally functioning world yeah - in an artificial world, where all of them lose money and are propped up artificially, one failure will lead to the rest of them perhaps losing a little less money ...

or it could be that travel drops - fewer flights overall may mean fewer passengers for all of them - most flying is purely leisure

Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by noahwitt on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:19PM (#21051042)
The long haul lCCs are. Ryan Air and Easy Jet make money, but they're in a very different space than WOW, Iceland, Norwegian, ETC. The Story of thmas cook is more complicated too as they were a travel agency as well.
Re:Thomas Cook Shuts Down by PeterStuer on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:36PM (#21051284)
They were never profitable in an operational sense and just coast on very generous public subsidies.