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Re:Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with ... by codyb on Saturday September 21, 2019 @11:19PM (#21039434)
Voter ID laws to start. It’s a modern day poll tax to require ID to vote which prevents a crime barely anyone is even committing that doesn’t scale easily to sway most elections.

I haven’t seen Republicans calling for easy access to IDs though and their efforts to suppress voting from people who side with the left are notorious.

Their gerrymandered maps are being struck down in places like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and N. Carolina.

They conveniently close polling locations in minority neighborhoods.

They oppose election security bills. (McConnell until recently).

They oppose informing the public about election interference (McConnell).

Their PACs refuse to disclose donor information.

They’re pro dark money in elections.

Trump just tried to pressure the Ukranian leader for dirt on Biden.

The electoral college heavily favors Republicans and has given them at two Presidents in the last twenty years alone who lost the popular vote.

When Democrats are elected they’ll obstruct their Supreme Court nominations until they can put in their own.

The Senate heavily favors rural populations with the Dakota’s receiving four Senators with a population just over one million while California gets two with just under forty million people.

McConnell won’t even bring bills passed by the House to the floor of the Senate and has referred to himself as the Grim Reaper.

Republicans do not support making election days national holidays.

Republicans consistently try to scale back poll hours and early access voting.

Republicans are anti-democracy and a grave danger to our free nation at this point and it’s terrifying. They use every trick in the book to undermine the populace’s ability to elect leaders that do not serve the rich and the rich only. They stand for absolutely nothing except tax cuts, profits, unbridled corruption, and the selling off of America’s resources wholesale to the highest bidder.

Re:Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with ... by asabjorn on Saturday September 21, 2019 @11:40PM (#21039526)
As a non-citizen I think it is fair to expect enforcement of only one vote per citizen and to verify that the right person votes.

Your assertion on how common voter fraud is contradic former NYC Democratic Commissioner of the Board of Elections Alan Schulkin which says it is prevalent in New York City, and he thinks there is a need for Voter ID laws: https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/117511800314022297...

This is a whole thread on how common fraud is: https://www.projectveritas.com/2018/11/13/elections-fraud-20...

Re:Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with ... by codyb on Saturday September 21, 2019 @11:58PM (#21039588)
Trump set up an entire committee to investigate voter fraud in the 2016 election and apparently found so little they were disbanded and never released their findings.

And I’m not basing much of my world view on that guys unsubstantiated claims or three video clips posted on Project Veritas (a Conservative non-profit which receives funding from the Koch brothers).

There’s a tweet from Governor Abbot talking about investigating this issue from 2018. I conveniently see zero follow up as to the results of that investigation.

Re:Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with ... by asabjorn on Sunday September 22, 2019 @12:05AM (#21039603)
How do you even distinguish voter fraud from a regular vote after the fact? This seems impossible because the vote is anonymous and there is no ID requirement, so no wonder putting a number on it after the fact is hard.

The source doesn't change the content of what they discovered, people caught red handed, or the statements made by officials such as NYC Democratic Commisioner Alan Schulkin.

Re:Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with ... by codyb on Sunday September 22, 2019 @12:20AM (#21039653)
For a non American you seem very invested in this.

I see no proof of people being caught redhanded and that’d be pretty easy to verify since voter fraud is a felony and they’d have a court cases.

It would take thousands of cases to sway most elections, so you’d need hundreds and hundreds of people to commit multiple felonies.

And yet somehow none of this giant conspiracy to manipulate voter fraud is leaking out? Seems implausible.

And they’d all need to assume identities of people already on the voter registration rolls.

So those hundreds of felons would have to somehow not take the vote of someone who would vote later that day, or someone who’d already voted.

This is a lot of work and a really grand conspiracy to keep under wraps.

It’s almost certainly easier, cheaper, and more effective to spread false narratives such as “voter fraud is a big issue and only Republicans care about the sacredness of _your_ vote” than it is to actually somehow find and organize enough people to make it worthwhile.

Re:Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with ... by manquer on Sunday September 22, 2019 @05:25AM (#21040440)
Not OP, not American either. The voter ID laws in India helps enormously in reducing fraud, if India can implement a system like that, Surely US should be able to as well ?
Re:Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with ... by codyb on Sunday September 22, 2019 @10:29AM (#21041501)
As I’ve explained, it’s a solution to a problem that doesn’t need solving.

Maybe it is a different situation in India, but here the people proposing voter identification laws are doing so in bad faith.

They’re trying to make it harder to vote so elections are less fair, as opposed to making elections more fair by guaranteeing the sanctity of the individuals vote which is the position they’re pretending to be standing on.

Re:Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with ... by asabjorn on Sunday September 22, 2019 @12:15PM (#21042096)
To make it harder a significant number of people need to have no ID. Banking require and id [1] and 93.5% of the population is banked. Most of the remainder probably has an ID for Government services that need them such as applying for food stamps, medicare, medicaid, having a job, unemployment support and social security.

In Norway, my home country, it has never been an issue in our 200 years as an independent country for anyone to get an ID to vote. And we used to be mostly dirt poor fishers and farmers that often lived in fairly isolated places.

Re:Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with ... by asabjorn on Sunday September 22, 2019 @01:11PM (#21042479)
Forgot link of evidence that banking require ID https://www.consumerfinance.gov/ask-cfpb/can-i-get-a-checkin...
Re:Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with ... by codyb on Sunday September 22, 2019 @10:22PM (#21045468)
Generally that 6.5% of unbanked persons tend not to vote for less healthcare and more tax breaks for the rich.

Instituting the voter ID law makes it harder for 6.5% of people that rarely vote for Republicans to vote to prevent 0.000X% of votes cast fraudulently each election.

Do you get it now?

Re:Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with ... by asabjorn on Monday September 23, 2019 @01:24PM (#21051111)
As I stated the unbanked are likely to be very old or poor so that use government services that require an ID. For instance, they rely on food stamps or Medicaid or social security. A large part of this 6.5% and the cohort you talk about therefor has an ID.

The reason why I think so is that people that are not poor can not lead their lives without a bank account due to the essentials for a non poor life requiring a bank account.

Re:Sanders wants to replace credit reporting companies with ... by codyb on Monday September 23, 2019 @09:22PM (#21055542)
This is my last comment. The Republicans would much prefer to prevent or make it harder to vote for 2%, 1%, whatever.

They don’t care about voter fraud. At all.

They care about adding enough shit together that they can win elections.

That is all they care about.

It is not in good faith. It is not about protecting the sanctity of elections.

It is about the opposite. They’ve never been able to show that voter fraud has ever affected an election.

They’re in it because even shaving a percentage of people from voting Democrat is worth it for them.

That is it. That’s the only reason.

Goodbye.