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Re:Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contrac... by toomuchtodo on Saturday September 21, 2019 @12:55PM (#21036431)
My point is that unions only suck if you let them suck. The devil is in the implementation details, and the effort put forth by members.
Re:Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contrac... by AnthonyMouse on Saturday September 21, 2019 @03:36PM (#21037404)
> My point is that unions only suck if you let them suck. The devil is in the implementation details, and the effort put forth by members.

But that's the problem. The employee faces the same asymmetry when dealing with the union as dealing with the employer -- a single individual has difficulty driving a change in organizational behavior.

It's harder for an individual to fix a bad union than to leave the company for one without that union, so that's what many people will do. Which makes it even harder for anyone to do it your way, because many of the people who agree that there is a problem will have left.

Re:Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contrac... by Apocryphon on Saturday September 21, 2019 @04:40PM (#21037808)
> It's harder for an individual to fix a bad union than to leave the company for one without that union

Is that accurate?

Re:Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contrac... by bsanr2 on Saturday September 21, 2019 @10:17PM (#21039224)
Maybe? But it's like saying that it's harder to fix a bad country than to leave for another country, so its accuracy is possibly less important than its rationality.
Re:Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contrac... by AnthonyMouse on Sunday September 22, 2019 @12:51AM (#21039731)
It's a lot easier to switch employers than switch countries. Most people in fact do switch employers multiple times throughout their lives, whereas most people don't ever move to a different country from where they were born.

That's especially true when there are other jobs in the same industry and the same city but at a different company.

Re:Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contrac... by bsanr2 on Monday September 23, 2019 @10:50PM (#21056040)
That depends on which country you are born into. There are several million South American immigrants living undocumented in the US who would beg to differ with that statement. Likewise, there are many expats who've chosen staying with a company over staying in their country. Finding an employer that treats you well may be harder than finding a country that treats you well in many instances.
Re:Anti-union activity is heating up ahead of Google contrac... by guerrilla on Saturday September 21, 2019 @01:02PM (#21036470)
Certainly.