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Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by pessimizer on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @11:04AM (#21006141)
> That's not really what it's about. You have no idea how utterly janky Plex and torrenting is.

I don't know anything about Plex, but torrenting is pretty effortless compared to figuring out which streaming service what you want to watch is on, figuring out how to get that, evaluating other content it has trying to justify the price, figuring out how to get it to your tv, and figuring out how to use it. The only thing I've seen that confuses people about torrenting is having to open a port.

I think the thing that limits torrenting is the ISP emails, not any of this "nobody cares about your nerd stuff" know-nothing pseudo folk wisdom. People figure it out in five minutes, it looks too easy so it feels criminal, then they get an email from their ISP, so they retreat back to the difficult stuff out of paranoia because they vaguely remember stories about people getting in absurdly disproportionate trouble for it.

For your conspiracy to be valid, I'd have to see significant evidence that internet costs have gone up in the US. Mine have gone down. Evidence that it's cheaper in other parts of the world is utterly irrelevant.

Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by lostgame on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @11:07AM (#21006182)
>> torrenting is pretty effortless compared to figuring out which streaming service what you want to watch is on, figuring out how to get that, evaluating other content it has trying to justify the price, figuring out how to use it, and figuring out how to get it to your TV

Damn. You just nailed this. In fact, hearing it this way makes me confused as to why anyone would ever use a streaming service to start.

I live in Canada - which is just an awful country to be in for seeing the message 'this video is not available in your country'. For years, I exclaimed 'this is dumb and just makes me visit the Pirate Bay next, it won't be long before other people do, too'.

You know what I wish was still open? Blockbuster. I miss walking out to a store, picking out a movie, pretty much any movie I wanted (new releases might be picky/choosy) - and renting it for a couple days for $2-3. That...honestly seemed like the best all-around deal for movie producers and consumers.

Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by pwg on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @12:21PM (#21006935)
The infographic that Cory Doctrow links to from the page below, which was created back in the "DVD" days, is also still quite relevant to the current "which service is it on" world we are entering.

Replace the "unskippable 'you criminal' you" DVD previews with the descriptions of determining where, what, when, etc.

https://boingboing.net/2010/02/18/infographic-buying-d.html

The 300 separate streaming services need to understand that they need a friction level very close to the "if you are a pirate" box at the top in order to prevent their customers from returning to the pirate route. And having 300 separate services, with disjoint content, is not at all near the friction level of the "if you are a pirate" box at the top of the infographic.

Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by Consultant32452 on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @12:58PM (#21007338)
> I miss walking out to a store, picking out a movie, pretty much any movie I wanted (new releases might be picky/choosy)

I don't think this is an option anymore. There was never a time when a Blockbuster store's collection could match Netflix/Hulu/Prime. In particular, there's so much more media being created now, that there's no way a physical shelf space could keep up. If you consider just TV, think about how many more channels there are compared to the heyday of Blockbuster. I just checked Fandango, there's over 20 movies opening this week alone. How could a Blockbuster keep up with that? I think the reason it felt that way might be related to the paradox of choice. There were fewer options, we got the "lottery win"/dopamine hit from finding that new movie when there was only one copy left to rent, etc. I think our brains artificially limited the set of things we "wanted" to watch to what was on the shelf, which was surely never that robust of a collection compared to what you get from something like Netflix today.

Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by StavrosK on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @11:34AM (#21006461)
Can you not just do that now with Google Movies or whatnot?
Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by Benji_San on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @02:47PM (#21008620)
"Voice and subtitles not available in your language" For literally the first recommended film on Google play movies. Scroll through it a little bit and it seems like original languages are not available, closed captions are never available and the only subs available is not my preferred language (google also warns me for this).

This is ridiculously often the usual experience outside the US, if the content is legally available at all... Or I can just torrent the same content with my desired subs/dubs or buy a game on steam an play it in my desired language...

Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by lostgame on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @11:47AM (#21006579)
Still limited to the selection at Google Movies.

You can do this now with Netflix - but they will ship you DVD's.

Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by thefringthing on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @01:57PM (#21008061)
You can still do it at the library, and for free!
Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by HelloNurse on Thursday September 19, 2019 @10:36AM (#21016578)
A subscription service wants to be paid to cause me endless anxiety over a service that could not work when I want it because, for example, I'm in the wrong country or on the wrong network and could be withdrawn at any time and without notice.
Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by ajmurmann on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @01:58PM (#21008085)
If you want to rent a movie both Google Play and Amazon still have you covered. TV shows though are a different topic now that streaming providers are making their own content.
Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by DerekL on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @06:23PM (#21011005)
I was going to suggest RedBox, but then I found out that they shut down in Canada. In the US, they're a good replacement for Blockbuster for new releases.
Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by sp332 on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @12:05PM (#21006793)
I don't know why movie producers would be happy about multiple people watching a single copy of a movie.
Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by acomjean on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @01:56PM (#21008053)
>You know what I wish was still open? Blockbuster.

Try your local library

They often have a significant DVD section.

Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by UncleMeat on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @12:04PM (#21006777)
What percentage of URLs returned from a google search of "the pirate bay" are fraudulent and serve malware? What percentage of torrenting clients are some degree of badware.

You can find the good ones, but if my parents were going to torrent stuff they'd either be scared away or end up with crap on their computer.

Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by Faark on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @02:10PM (#21008229)
I totally agree. Torrenting (and other piracy) is easy until a necessary part in your workflow is taken down. Finding a replacement is a pain, unless you have someone giving recommendations. Thankfully TPB and co seem quite durable.
Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by paulie_a on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @11:14AM (#21006253)
Kodi plus an add-on is actually easier to navigate than a lot of paid services. And it's not torrenting so no worries about a copyright infringement notice.

I go paid services first but many times it's so janky i say fuck it and launch the add-on and it works.

Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by PaulHoule on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @11:13AM (#21006238)
The Plex server is basically OK, the trouble you have is with the Plex clients.

I bought an Xbox One instead of a PS4 even though I like the anime games on the PS4 because the Xbox One has a perfect Plex client and the PS4 client is known to be "janky"

I struggled with cheap Android TV devices and broke down and bought a NVIDIA Shield TV because it has a perfect Plex client too with adequate hardware.

Re:Too Many Video Streaming Choices May Drive Users Back To ... by poooogles on Wednesday September 18, 2019 @02:09PM (#21008223)
>NVIDIA Shield TV because it has a perfect Plex client

Pending you don't want to watch something in Dolby Vision.

I can either have Dolby Atmos come from the shield and a HDR video, or Dolby Vision through the TV and compressed AC3 audio of some kind from the TV.

Asking for both is apparently too much...