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Re:Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study by keyle on Monday September 16, 2019 @07:12PM (#20989485)
In my experience, you never get that outside of the town centre. 10mbps cap in the suburb on 4G.

Anyway, this doesn't really highlight how good our 4G is, it highlights how poor our interconnected fibre network is. It's a bloody multi-generational disaster, a train wreck salvaged. And the price of it all lands on the consumers.

For example, I'm on cable, and life is good. When I get migrated (by force) to fibre, I will have less bandwidth and pay more. It's also wildly known at the moment to have constant drop outs. YAY the future.

And remote areas are put on Satellite, they were never going to run fibre to the home.

Re:Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study by stephen_g on Monday September 16, 2019 @09:12PM (#20990225)
You won't go onto FTTP, they will use the Telstra HFC cable and you just get a different modem. Most of the drop-out problems I think are fixed.

The less bandwidth and paying more are only due to stupid pricing models from the infrastructure provider (NBN), for anybody who isn't familiar with the system. There's no technical reason for it in 60% of the country. They could upgrade anybody in the FTTP footprint to gigabit this afternoon and anybody in the HFC footprint to at least 250 or 300Mbps but are limiting everybody mostly to 100Mbps (but most people are on lower speeds) just because they want to gouge providers for bandwidth. The artificial limitations created by these pricing models also mean that a lot of providers skimp on buying the necessary bandwidth, so for most providers (there are only a few good ones) there are unnecessary slow-downs at peak times as the artificially limited bandwidth gets congested. It's madness!

The rest is unfortunately served by satellite, FTTN or FTTC that aren't able to deliver the speeds, or for the fixed wireless footprint it is also limited, but to a large degree only because the LNP government shelved the planned backhaul upgrades to save some money, so there are all these wireless towers that are served by low-speed microwave backhaul. The plan had been to upgrade any tower to fibre backhaul once the microwave backhaul reached a certain level of utilisation, before it was fully congested. That now doesn't happen, so those users just have to deal with speeds dropping significantly at peak times.

Re:Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study by sjwright on Monday September 16, 2019 @10:20PM (#20990613)
After 5 years of rock solid Telstra HFC, I'm now on NBN HFC (same wire) and it has been unreliable as fu__. Right this very moment I'm currently getting ongoing 40% packet loss to the first hop, probably because it's raining.
Re:Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study by uikoeixueo on Monday September 16, 2019 @09:53PM (#20990449)
I'm in an apartment tower which is vendor locked to Internode (IINet/TPG aren't even available).

I'm fortunate that the connection is 100/40/unlimited for $60 AUD, but it still annoys me that I have _no_ options to obtain a static IP whatsoever.

Re:Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study by t4ko on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @05:14AM (#20993146)
It's not as good as a static IP but you can look into DynDNS providers to have a static way to access your machines from outside. Almost every provider has a free option and it's very easy to setup.
Re:Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study by rosege on Monday September 16, 2019 @09:25PM (#20990297)
About 2 months ago I was staying at a friends place that had HFC NBN and it would drop out at least once a week.
Re:Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study by TheRealSteel on Monday September 16, 2019 @07:52PM (#20989708)
The NBN in its post 2013 form is a disaster but I'm not aware of any areas that are still being migrated from HFC to fibre by them. Are you sure this is the case? If you have HFC you will likely stay on HFC, but you will indeed have your bandwidth downgraded and price increased. Thanks Liberal Party.

Regardless, it's not really relevant to an article about 4G vs 5G - they are separate fibre networks I believe?

Re:Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study by bingobob on Monday September 16, 2019 @08:17PM (#20989884)
HFC Still better than FTTN (VDSL) with most of the HFC network supporting DOCSIS 3.1 supporting speeds of 10Gbit
Re:Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study by batiudrami on Monday September 16, 2019 @08:31PM (#20989970)
It depends where you are. I just did a speed test in the suburbs on a Telstra reseller and got 118MBit, which IME is par for the course around Perth and suburbs.

That speed is just double the maximum line speed of my FTTN NBN connection at the same property (but I keep it anyway as household data usage on 4G is uneconomical).

Re:Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study by incompatible on Monday September 16, 2019 @08:36PM (#20990001)
Uneconomical because 4G doesn't compete in price for data allowances, once you are using more than 50 GB or so per month?

At a constant 118 MBit/s I calculate that you'd go through over 50 GB per hour, so the usefulness is limited.

Re:Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study by batiudrami on Monday September 16, 2019 @08:53PM (#20990101)
I pay US$55 a month for unlimited data @ 50Mbit on my fibre/copper line, and US$100 per year for 80GB per year on my 4G mobile (there are other options up to about US$70/m for 150GB/m but no unshaped & unlimited data option.)

I suspect that part of the reason that 4G is so good in Australia is that data allowances are relatively small which limits congestion.

Re:Australia’s 4G network is faster than 5G: study by rosege on Monday September 16, 2019 @09:27PM (#20990308)
its not just remote areas going on satellite now. The NBN is in a rush to get it finished by mid next year so they are now moving suburbs on to satellite. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-09-11/powderfinger-star-off...