Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr...
by nitrogen on Sunday September 15, 2019 @02:35PM
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Sounds like there's not a lot of difference between "citizen" and "subject". The claims of ownership across generations for births that occurred elsewhere are the most astonishing part of this for me.
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Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr...
by sandworm101 on Sunday September 15, 2019 @02:44PM
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Then don't look into who can acquire Israeli citizenship. They are open to "all Jewish persons", both people born to jewish mothers and converts "who are not a member of another religion". So citizenship, or not, can turn on the specifics of religious faith and ritual. (Isreal is not alone in this, they are just the most western-leaning nation for whom religious dogma is used in determining citizenship.)
Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr...
by JPKab on Sunday September 15, 2019 @09:02PM
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You've really got an axe to grind, don't you?
Israel GRANTS citizenship to people of Jewish ancestry. It doesn't claim ownership of them like China is doing in this scenario.
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by maratd on Sunday September 15, 2019 @08:12PM
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I think you're confusing the word "can" and "must". A Jew can become an Israeli citizen. The issue here is that many of these people are not choosing to be China's citizens and yet are considered such.
Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr...
by sandworm101 on Sunday September 15, 2019 @09:09PM
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I did not use the word "can" or "must". Those are not my words.
I said Isreal was "open to" certain people, which is an accurate description of the policy. Where citizenship suitability is at issue, such as an asylum claim or immigration/visa application, religious factors then come into play. I made no mention of Israel claiming control or forcing citizenship on anyone.
Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr...
by detaro on Sunday September 15, 2019 @09:13PM
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So it's not like a "claim of ownership" to people and not relevant to the comment you replied to?
Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr...
by echaozh on Monday September 16, 2019 @05:23AM
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Did these people enter China with a visa? Many Chinese parents sign a document to give up foreign citizenship for their children on entrance into China, so their children don't need a visa, and can enjoy benefits like health care and free education in China. That's how China can claim their Chinese citizenship.