China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans from leaving

Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr... by vankingd on Sunday September 15, 2019 @02:25PM (#20978672)

This is underrated comment.

Mainlanders firmly believe in collectivism; whereas, western audiences in individuality.

Therefore, Chinese people believe it is okay to kill a person to save the group. Whereas, other countries do not.

Mainlanders think that is being selfish.

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Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr... by WalterSear on Sunday September 15, 2019 @05:34PM (#20979619)

Actually, it's more of a conformist than collectivist society. The misconception comes from studies done in China regarding collectivism vs individualism in the 80s and 90s, that were 'Margaret Mead'ed: sitting people down in a formal classroom to take a test being administered by scientists with government permission didn't have the same effect in China and the western countries it was being compared to.

Collectivism is commonly seen as a valuable presentation in conformism-driven social environments.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.561...

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Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr... by kelnos on Sunday September 15, 2019 @03:25PM (#20979009)

This isn't killing sometime to save a group, though. This is guilt by association. And it isn't even that (that's just the dishonest justification), it's just a shady hope that by detaining this fraudster's incident offspring, they can lure him back to China to arrest him. It's disgusting and reprehensible.

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Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr... by chillacy on Sunday September 15, 2019 @11:51PM (#20980941)

I don't think the government thinks the kids are guilty, I think the parent is implying something even worse: that they'd be willing to essentially throw these innocent kids under a bus to arrest the parents.

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Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr... by kelnos on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @09:53AM (#20995061)

No, I definitely got that (and apparently mistyped "innocent" as "incident"). The issue isn't that I object to "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". I think that is appropriate in some situations. But this doesn't feel like that; arresting this guy won't go and help or save a bunch of people. It's just revenge, and they're throwing the likely-innocent kids under the bus to get it.

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Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr... by shard972 on Sunday September 15, 2019 @08:55PM (#20980352)

Again you have your individualist lens on and you are judging the situation purely based on that moral framework.

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Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr... by kelnos on Tuesday September 17, 2019 @09:56AM (#20995101)

I don't think I am.

The idea of prioritizing collective good means that it's ok to sacrifice one (or more) people if even more people will benefit from that action by a certain threshold amount.

This... isn't that. Arresting this guy won't help or save a bunch of people. The government just wants revenge for his financial crimes, and they're unethically using his kids to try to get it.

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Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr... by 044326throw on Sunday September 15, 2019 @11:47PM (#20980931)

Other countries will make up terms like “collateral damage” when they drone strike a wedding just to kill one target.

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Re:China is increasingly using exit bans to bar Americans fr... by friendlybus on Monday September 16, 2019 @06:01AM (#20982542)

Mainlanders believe that progress requires unity and sometimes it's okay that progress or unity costs lives.

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