Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking?

Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by Railsify on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:40PM (#20932681)

Because large cities smell, people urinate on the streets, the air quality is very low and to add to those cons, you have to pay more to live there. Suburb living is great, the air smells good, I can't hear my neighbors unless we have a party. I suspect those that are leaving value saving for retirement over renting an overpriced apartment in a chic neighborhood. Also there are no murders in most suburbs in any given year. If you live in NYC /Chicago chances are you are within a mile of a murder at least once per year. https://maps.nyc.gov/crime/

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by ChrisLTD on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:38PM (#20933435)

I'll give you that cities like NYC are stinky and expensive. But NYC in particular is a very safe place. We have about 300 murders per year with a population of 8.5 million. Yes, I might live within a mile of a murder, but I also live within a mile of 400,000 people. That's about entire population of Raleigh, NC, where I used to live.

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by monksy on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:50PM (#20933568)

> 300 murders

I don't understand. (I live in chicago)

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by stochastic_monk on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @05:05PM (#20933737)

I live in Baltimore. We have more murders at a population of 600,000.

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by viklove on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @06:17PM (#20934444)

I think we get 300 murders a month

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by monksy on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @06:35PM (#20934596)

At least that in the summer and spring time. Not so much during the winter.

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by Railsify on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @05:50PM (#20945126)

Murder was just the worst example: rape, robbery, assault etc.

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by cozzyd on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:29PM (#20933321)

If suburb living is so desirable, why does it cost more to live in the city?

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by dragonwriter on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:48PM (#20933532)

> If suburb living is so desirable, why does it cost more to live in the city?

Cities are very good places to live if you are very rich, and you might need to live there for certain work (commuting has a time cost, and doing it with a cushion for a job with long hours and strict on-time requirements can be prohibitive, for instance.) So, there are reasons why cities are desirable for some portion of the population

But price isn't just demand, it's the intersection of supply and demand, and the available land in a given radius of a point (say, a city center) goes up with the square of distance. So even if desirability increased with distance, it'd still be possible for price to go down.

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by maxsilver on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:38PM (#20933434)

Because density is inherently more complicated and expensive to build and maintain.

This is also why there aren't "cheap" skyscrapers in suburban/rural areas. Because even when it's easy and 100% legal to build by-right, any density above 2-3 stories is still inherently really expensive.

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by rhino369 on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:33PM (#20933371)

In a metro area like chicago that has 9.5 million people, the "cool and hip" urban areas fit about 300,000 people.

Plus jobs and traffic. If I could live in a middle rung suburb and have a 30 min commute, I'd do it.

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:49PM (#20933552)

A portion of the wages of the higher paying job you're theoretically commuting to are priced in.

Aka "it's what the market will bear" or "supply and demand"

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by i_am_proteus on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:35PM (#20933399)

There's (literally) exponentially more land available at greater distances from the urban center.

The area grows in proportion to radius squared.

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by random_savv on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:42PM (#20933485)

That's not exponential, it's quadratic (still fast).

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by big_chungus on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @05:00PM (#20933674)

Squaring is raising a number to the power of two, an exponential operation. Growing in proportion to a power of two could be reasonably described as a quadratic rate of growth.

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by ajross on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @05:25PM (#20933948)

The pedantry obviously isn't relevant to the discussion, but just so you're clear why everyone is calling you wrong: "exponential growth" refers to a function of x that goes as C^x for some constant C, not one that goes as x^C. The latter is "polynomial" (of which "quadratic" is the term used when C is 2).

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by panda88888 on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @06:45PM (#20934663)

Exponential is a^x. Square is polynomial, i.e. x^a.

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by dilutedh2o on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:31PM (#20933343)

More jobs I guess?

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by mattkrause on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @11:17AM (#20941054)

This is especially true if you're part of a couple.

If one of us finds a job in New York, Boston, or Chicago, there's probably something nearby for the other too.

GE had some interesting R&D jobs in Schenectady, but unless they hired both of us, it would be a lot tricker for the other spouse to find something relevant. US universities, which are often located in small towns, sometimes offer "spousal hires", where they either create a new position for one person, or at least give them some preference when hiring. I've never heard of a company doing that, but it would certainly pique our interest (anybody need a neuro/ML guy?)

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by xvedejas on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:34PM (#20933378)

Jobs are often desirable. I suppose it's down to the individual to decide whether they care more to 1. optimize for avoiding the most undesirable situations or 2. optimize for total average desirability of where they live. My question would be: which strategy is more common in practice? Is there research on the psychology of deciding to live in a city?

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by Railsify on Wednesday September 11, 2019 @05:51PM (#20945132)

Supply and demand.

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by waynesonfire on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:32PM (#20933355)

maybe there is more suburban land available?

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:44PM (#20933504)

This seems to suggest that the crime gap is shrinking.

https://gspp.berkeley.edu/assets/uploads/research/pdf/p66.pd...

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by monksy on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:52PM (#20933595)

I wonder how much this is due to directives to under report. I have had issues where the police refuse to report, and I've heard of many others doing that as well.

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Re:Why Are America’s Three Biggest Metros Shrinking? by SketchySeaBeast on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @05:05PM (#20933726)

I'd hate to disregard the numbers just because they don't match with my own assumed narrative. Considering this is looking at data from 1990 I'm sure there was plenty of impetus in the 90's to marginalize and ignore whole communities, so I don't know if we can assume that that is a new trend by any means.

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