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Re:Stripe Corporate Card by myalphabet on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @11:18AM (#20929159)
Wait, how do these cards work, then? The corporate cards I've used (eg AmEx Corporate) did indeed require a personal guarantee and a personal social security number from each individual who had an account.
Re:Stripe Corporate Card by sudhirj on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @12:11PM (#20929767)
That seems really odd. The employees who have these cards are often expected to spend multiple times their yearly salary on company business. Personal guarantees simply wouldn’t work.
Re:Stripe Corporate Card by nirvdrum on Thursday September 12, 2019 @11:37PM (#20958978)
The last place I was at did it that way. I imagine it was to incentive early expense reports, otherwise you were stuck paying the bill. Also protects the employer if the expense isn't legitimate. But, it was pretty stressful as an employee.
Re:Stripe Corporate Card by Aeolun on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @08:41PM (#20935463)
It’s certainly the case for my company card. I wouldn’t be able to pay off the cost faster than I add new expenses.
Re:Stripe Corporate Card by ceejayoz on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @11:24AM (#20929224)
https://stripe.com/docs/corporate-card/faqs

> Am I personally liable for purchases made on the card?

> No. Only your business is liable for purchases made on the card.

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by tialaramex on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @07:56PM (#20935188)
I have only had an Amex decades ago, but it was issued when I was too young to drink in the US. Maybe eighteen? Could have been nineteen. Something around that age. The company decided to send me to the US and somebody went "Oh, this kid should have a card so we can sort out expenses that way" and they ordered me an Amex. I never signed anything to my knowledge, just a corporate Amex arrived for me in internal mail.

In fact it wasn't even delivered until after I arrived in the US. At check-in (to the hotel, not the airport) my boss had fax'd them a picture of her Amex card and that was good enough for them. When she flew in a few days later I tried to meet her in the bar, and that's when I found out my first crazy thing about America - I wasn't allowed in the bar.

Very different times. But I'd be surprised if Amex now cares about exactly who the people are its corporate customers want cards for. Why would they? These cards aren't for you to use as personal payment cards, they're your employer's card and you're just authorised to use it for work.

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by dontbenebby on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @10:52PM (#20936142)
>she flew in a few days later I tried to meet her in the bar, and that's when I found out my first crazy thing about America - I wasn't allowed in the bar.

It's usually based on receipts, and certain bars that are majority alcohol 21+, a restaurant that happens to serve drinks is any age. Pub type places really can vary depending on the state/county/city/township. But yeah exclusively alcohol bars will almost always be 21+.

I'm surprised this is surprising, I saw several 21 or even 25+ bars in Europe. But they were mostly aimed at turning away groups of rowdy backpackers, if you went in for a quiet pint nobody pressed if you were 22 or 20.

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by tempsy on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @12:40PM (#20930111)
American Express has both "Business" and "Corporate Business Cards."

The "Business" ones require a personal guarantee. For some color, I've signed up for multiple Amex Business cards in the past as a "sole proprietor" even though I was really just churning the cards for the rewards. You just input your SSN for the EIN.

The Corporate Amex cards don't require a personal guarantee.

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by myalphabet on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @12:54PM (#20930300)
The AmEx card I used was 100% a Corporate card (not a Business card) and definitely did require a personal guarantee.

edit: After some searching, it appears AmEx offers corporate cards both with and without personal guarantees, and it's up to the company to decide which they want to do. In my case, at one of the largest consulting companies in the world, they required personal guarantees.

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by tempsy on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @01:02PM (#20930434)
Who is the guarantor? The employee? That seems like a very shady thing to do given every expense put on that card is for work.
Re:Stripe Corporate Card by myalphabet on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @01:08PM (#20930504)
Yes, the employee. Why do you think it's shady? In my years of working in and around people with the same setup I've never heard of any complaints, and I know most of the other large consulting companies do it the same way.

AFAIK the thought behind it is that not every expense on the card is for work - as a consultant, I travel every week and I put all kinds of expenses on the card (not all of which are strictly "for work" or allowed to be reimbursed by the company). This way, my company still pays the bill for whatever expenses I mark as reimbursable, but the company doesn't have to worry about being on the hook for when I use my card to buy a pair of pants.

To me, it's basically the same as having a personal CC and my company reimburses me for the expenses - except in this case, it's a lot easier for my company to pay part of the bill directly (instead of me being an intermediary) and I also don't have to worry about hitting a credit limit.

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by tempsy on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @01:15PM (#20930596)
The point is you're trusting the company to not screw you over and refuse to reimburse you or pay the bill, for whatever reason. Everyone has some horror story of waiting months to get reimbursed for something from an employer. It's less annoying if it's very occasional or the amount is small, but when you're racking up thousands a week there's a non-zero risk.
Re:Stripe Corporate Card by myalphabet on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @01:20PM (#20930663)
I suppose that's true and I would probably be worried about that if it was a smaller company or a company that had a real possibility of not being able to pay the bills. At my company that pulls in billions per year and has hundreds of thousands of employees that use this expense system that I've never heard one case of someone having an issue getting reimburses, it's not much of a worry to me.
Re:Stripe Corporate Card by tempsy on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @01:31PM (#20930792)
We live in a post Lehman Brothers world...anything can happen. Personally would rather keep my personal expenses to my personal card and refuse a personal guarantee for any corporate spending, especially if it's going to average thousands a month.
Re:Stripe Corporate Card by rurp on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @09:08PM (#20935613)
Seriously, how hard can it be to bring both a personal and corporate card on a trip, and use each as appropriate? I've never had an employer issued cc but it's baffling to me that some employees have no problem personally guaranteeing company expenditures. I can imagine all sorts of scenarios, including a complete unexpected collapse, that would leave the employee out to dry.
Re:Stripe Corporate Card by astura on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @01:53PM (#20931085)
>it's basically the same as having a personal CC and my company reimburses me for the expenses

The company collects all the rewards for the spend but you take on all of the risk of repayment. If you used your personal card you'd collect the rewards.

Using personal cards and being reimbursed is a nice perk for many.

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by myalphabet on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @02:09PM (#20931295)
>The company collects all the rewards

Erm, no they don't. I personally collect all of the rewards from it. I have a nice fat account of AmEx MRs (and plenty of hotel and airline points) thanks to all of my corporate card spend.

edit: I have no idea why this is being downvoted. Do you want me to show you a screenshot of my MR account as proof, or something? AmEx corporate cards absolutely give the card rewards to the employee, not the company.

See https://millionmilesecrets.com/news/you-can-earn-american-ex...

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by astura on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:46PM (#20932788)
My AMEX corporate card didn't allow me to earn rewards. I didn't know some did. It also had a personal guarantee.

From your link

>However, if your company has blocked the American Express Membership Rewards program, you will NOT be able to enroll your corporate cards.

Also

>To earn American Express Membership Rewards points, you have to pay $90 to enroll your American Express Green Corporate card or American Express Gold Corporate card.

So only worth it for people who know they will be big spenders and who won't leave the company for a long time. For someone who travels only once a year (like me) totally not worth it. I'd rather collect the ~$30 cash back on my 2.5% cash back card.

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by syedkarim on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:34PM (#20933381)
Why would you be buying any personal items with a company credit card? Isn't that what your own personal credit card is for?
Re:Stripe Corporate Card by myalphabet on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @08:43PM (#20935474)
It isn't extremely common to do so, but the most basic example I can give is incidentals at a hotel. The hotel room and some incidentals are reimbursed by the company, but other incidentals are not (ie some consulting clients do not allow the reimbursement of alcohol). It's typically easier to just put it all on the corporate card and mark some of the transactions as reimbursable and some of them as personal than it is to finagle a way to settle the hotel bill with multiple credit cards.

There's also the one-off situation where I really needed a new pair of pants while traveling (my only clean pair of business-appropriate pants split down the middle) and for some reason the only card I had on me was my corporate card. Obviously extremely rare, but I've heard of similar situation (but with a belt) happening to another colleague.

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by anthonybsd on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @02:13PM (#20931340)
> The Corporate Amex cards don't require a personal guarantee.

I have Amex corporate and it absolutely required a personal guarantee. Social Security number and all.

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by privateSFacct on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:27PM (#20932491)
I learned something! I had no idea Amex did a guarantee.

I routinely order multiple employee cards with nothing more than employee names. Sometimes they use last 4 digits or DOB to allow employee to authenticate for online access - you can use any 4 digits though you want (ie, employee ID works fine). No personal guarantee. Oddly, I'd never heard of a corporate card requiring an employee guarantee though I guess Amex is one of them.

This stripe card is a corporate card in the "normal" sense for me - no personal guarantee. This makes getting them (usually) very easy, just upload a list of 20 names and the cards come. I even do things like "Office Manager" for the name on non-stripe cards - works fine.

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by myalphabet on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @03:34PM (#20932595)
That is interesting. I've only used AmEx Corp cards with a personal guarantee and wasn't aware there was any other way.

For anyone else who stumbles across this comment: AmEx offers Corporate cards both with or without a personal guarantee, depending on what the company wants to do. And (also mentioned farther down in this thread) they also give the option to give the card rewards to each individual employee cardholder, or give all the rewards to the business, again depending on what the company chooses.

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by 4ntonius8lock on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:48PM (#20933537)
I could be wrong on this, and someone more knowledgeable feel free to correct, but the way I understand it is:

When you start a corporation with no history, any credit obtained is obtained through the founders personal credit history, with all the liability that entails.

When the corporation reaches a certain point of maturity, the corporation starts having it's own 'credit' and non-personally backed credit lines can be obtained.

I'm ignorant as to the variables used to determine 'maturity' (though processing volume and tax history are probably two, since I know you can get a corporate credit line backed by outstanding accounts receivable alone)

This is for a DE corporation and I'm a California resident.

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by myalphabet on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @04:53PM (#20933606)
The company I have experience with using personally-backed corporate cards has been around for a century, has hundreds of thousands of employees, and billions of yearly profits. While I'm sure that your comment is true, 'maturity' is definitely not the only deciding factor in personally-backed vs company-backed cards.
Re:Stripe Corporate Card by insomniacity on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @05:38PM (#20934084)
Yup, I've been in a similar (or the same?) situation. I think it's because when you get to a certain scale, it's the only way to force employees to file their expenses.

No approved expenses report, no payment, your own problem.

Re:Stripe Corporate Card by powvans on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @06:58PM (#20934765)
When I started in sales at IBM in 2004 this was the case. I had to put down a personal guarantee in order to be issued a corporate AMEX. I hated it, but it was a take it or forfeit the job deal.
Re:Stripe Corporate Card by deepGem on Tuesday September 10, 2019 @11:50PM (#20936418)
From Stripe's corporate card page "All you need to sign up is a Stripe account—no paperwork or personal guarantee required. Get up and running with a virtual card in minutes."