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Re:Apple Music Web Client by eddieh on Thursday September 05, 2019 @07:59PM (#20891735)
Actually Apple Music in iTunes is just a web view that leaks like crazy, to the point of making iTunes slow to a crawl, if you're quickly navigating through artists and albums.

Not much better than Electron IMO. Apple Music in the browser seems like there isn't much hope of a truly native experience now.

Re:Apple Music Web Client by ec109685 on Thursday September 05, 2019 @10:25PM (#20892513)
The iMessage app is also just a webview (at least up to 10.14).
Re:Apple Music Web Client by jakobegger on Friday September 06, 2019 @12:29AM (#20893077)
Only the bubbles, though. The text input field and the sidebar are standard Cocoa controls (at least that was the case when I last checked).

It's not as bad as a full web app

Re:Apple Music Web Client by reilly3000 on Friday September 06, 2019 @02:07AM (#20893448)
I get a beach ball All-the-time with Messages lasting 5-10 seconds. I struggle to imagine that anything it’s doing is that computationally intensive.
Re:Apple Music Web Client by Angostura on Friday September 06, 2019 @04:04AM (#20893884)
I suspect this might be a problem with your installation - if you create a new MacOS user account for testing, does the problem persist? I don't recall Messages every beach-balling for me and I'm not exactly on new hardware.
Re:Apple Music Web Client by oarsinsync on Friday September 06, 2019 @05:44AM (#20894298)
Tangentially, this appears to be the general (and usually, only) troubleshooting step you can do with Apple products.

Yes, creating a new user resolves the problem. Yes, resetting my device to factory settings without restoring from backup resolves the problem.

How do I resolve the problem without deleting my entire history?

Re:Apple Music Web Client by Angostura on Friday September 06, 2019 @07:48AM (#20894779)
So if you have problem that goes away with another user, the problem commonly lies in a corrupted preference related to the app, so you start hunting out the .plists for the application and moving them to the desktop before relaunching and seeing if the problem is fixed.

If not, then you start poking about in Application Support for the app.

Re:Apple Music Web Client by oarsinsync on Friday September 06, 2019 @08:01AM (#20894844)
After 9 years of Apple use, I have successfully made this method work one time (iMessages), and even then, it took a full system reboot after each file move to validate whether or not that had made a difference.

The whole process took the better part of a day. It was long, it was tedious, but at least I got there in the end. There was no paid-support story that would have done this for me, but hey ho, it all worked out. I can't imagine I'll ever have the time to go through that much effort again.

The same cant be said for my iMessage history on my iPhone, which has been lost repeatedly as the only solution was "don't restore from your backup".

Re:Apple Music Web Client by Angostura on Friday September 06, 2019 @10:40AM (#20896039)
Ah - I used to use it fairly frequently in the good old OS X 10.2-10.6 days - for various apps. Seemed to work fairly well.
Re:Apple Music Web Client by ihuman on Thursday September 05, 2019 @10:52PM (#20892614)
Really? I thought it was based on old iChat application, since it used to support other IM providers.
Re:Apple Music Web Client by saagarjha on Thursday September 05, 2019 @10:59PM (#20892645)
Support for that was ripped out years ago.
Re:Apple Music Web Client by ihuman on Thursday September 05, 2019 @11:08PM (#20892690)
I know support for those services is long gone, but I thought it was still based on the same code.
Re:Apple Music Web Client by ladberg on Thursday September 05, 2019 @11:50PM (#20892886)
The last time I saw support for it still there, the IM stuff would open in a separate, old-looking window from the Messages window. Basically, they kept the old code and just built a new version parallel to it, then eventually took out the old one.
Re:Apple Music Web Client by saagarjha on Thursday September 05, 2019 @10:59PM (#20892643)
It’s still a web view in Catalina as well.
Re:Apple Music Web Client by kevin2r on Thursday September 05, 2019 @08:04PM (#20891763)
What about the new Music app coming in MacOS Catalina? Does it implements the views in html5?
Re:Apple Music Web Client by ashish-gandhi on Thursday September 05, 2019 @10:05PM (#20892412)
The Podcasts and TV apps are native Catalyst (iPad apps on macOS) apps.

The Music app is still some sort of Frankenstein iTunes thing. The Library section views are native. The Apple Music section is still web. It is still slow compared to Spotify but much better compared to how it is in iTunes.

Re:Apple Music Web Client by eddieh on Thursday September 05, 2019 @08:15PM (#20891848)
I haven't tried Catalina yet. I really hope it isn't a web view. That would really defeat what I hoped they where doing by splitting iTunes up.
Re:Apple Music Web Client by saagarjha on Thursday September 05, 2019 @11:00PM (#20892650)
The Apple Music portion is a web view: wherever it crashes (which is quite often, sadly) it shows the JavaScript backtrace.
Re:Apple Music Web Client by eddieh on Friday September 06, 2019 @03:34PM (#20899079)
Terrible news. :(