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Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by kerkeslager on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @03:36PM (#20880653)
> DRM made a promise to business that it would control content in ways that would let them extract more money from users and make it much harder for them to copy or use the content outside of approved uses.

1. If you think it's harder for users to copy or use content outside of approved usage, choose your favorite TV show, and type the name of the show with the text "s01e01" into Google. You'll find links to stream it in low quality or torrent a high quality MP4.

2. Meanwhile, try downloading a book from Amazon and transforming it into epub so you can read it on a different reader. If you manage to figure out how to do that, please let me know.

It's not at all clear that the minor difficulty of 1 prevents so much lost profits that it outweighs the profits lost from 2. So it's absolutely not clear that DRM has resulted in extracting more money from users.

Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by dredmorbius on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @04:12PM (#20880942)
Unpacking digital book formats is pretty straightforward with Calibre and similar tools.

There is a very large number of freely-available books through Library Genesis and other sites, approaching 5 million. Some are newer, but I find this most useful for turning up old and hard-to-find books, generally published between 1925 and 2000.

More recent books are frequently available in ripped digital formats. Earlier can be found through the Internet Archive, WikiSource, and Project Gutenberg. A large number of the scanned-in books are actually very likely out of copyright due to failures to renew registration, but the fact cannot readily be determined.

There's a project that's taken machine-readable US Copyright Office records to find such works. The Internet Archive don't yet make use of this though per an email discussion a week or so back, that's in the works, though no announcement or dates have yet been made.

What's tremendously frustrating to me is the HathiTrust archive, which has access to scanned copies of library works, but won't make these generally available to either the general public or anything outside a small set of research libraries (your local public library, or even community college or small liberal arts school doesn't qualify). Again, frequently works that are out of copyright (known-public-domain works cannot be viewed or downloaded), hoarded for no reason.

Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by kerkeslager on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:23PM (#20881572)
> Unpacking digital book formats is pretty straightforward with Calibre and similar tools.

It wasn't the last time I tried it, but I'd be happy to hear if this has changed.

I don't own a Kindle, which some people are saying is required for the Calibre method, which might have been the issue I had in the past.

Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by dredmorbius on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @07:11PM (#20882297)
That's a fair caution. Calibre used to work well with Kindle formats, though I've heard of issues more recently.

I do a lot of dump-to-markdown then re-tag to preferred formats, largely using Pandoc. That's more intensive, but highly effective.

Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by jpindar on Thursday September 05, 2019 @09:59AM (#20886690)
It works for me. What you do is download the Kindle file format from "Manage Your Content and Devices","Actions", "Download & transfer via USB". This gives you a different format than the files sent directly to a Kindle, and the DeDRM plugin for Calibre unlocks these.
Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by pizza234 on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @03:55PM (#20880795)
> 2. Meanwhile, try downloading a book from Amazon and transforming it into epub so you can read it on a different reader. If you manage to figure out how to do that, please let me know.

Sure. Use Calibre's "DeDRM Tools" plugin, decrypting the book with your personal key, and you'll be able to convert it to any format.

Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by AdmiralAsshat on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @04:24PM (#20881043)
Kinda. I just helped my girlfriend setup a new Windows laptop the other day, and the usual DeDRM tool no longer worked, because the books were downloaded under the most recent version of Kindle for PC, which uses some new form of encryption that hasn't been cracked yet. We had to uninstall it, download an older-but-still-supported version of Kindle for PC, then run through the process again.

Which is to say, this is a cat-and-mouse game. There is a way to defeat Amazon's encryption for now, but there may come a day when we can't, and when Amazon cuts off support for all devices and applications that do not run their latest encryption.

I'm kinda surprised that they continue to even support MOBI, given that it's not originally their format and much easier to extract the EPUB out of than their homespun solution.

Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by jpindar on Thursday September 05, 2019 @10:00AM (#20886704)
You need to download the files from "Manage Your Content and Devices","Actions", "Download & transfer via USB". This gives you a different format, and DeDRM can unlock these.
Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by zchrykng on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @03:59PM (#20880838)
This tool allows removing the DRM from Kindle books. [1]

This tool allows removing the DRM from Audible books. [2]

[1]: https://apprenticealf.wordpress.com/2019/03/30/dedrm-tools-6...

[2]: https://github.com/KrumpetPirate/AAXtoMP3

Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by froskur on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @03:56PM (#20880808)
Re no 2. I believe the Calibre plugin DeDRM does what you want. It's been a while since I used it, but iirc you will need to have a Kindle registered with the Amazon account you used to buy the book for it to work.
Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by kerkeslager on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:23PM (#20881576)
I don't have a Kindle, so...
Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by jpindar on Thursday September 05, 2019 @10:02AM (#20886717)
There is a Kindle reader for the PC, you could try that.
Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by paulddraper on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @04:11PM (#20880931)
> It's not at all clear that the minor difficulty of 1

You're gonna be ad-blasted, have inconsistent video quality, and be given a million popups.

Also, the availability is not nearly what you think it is.

https://www.google.com/search?q=battlestar+galactica+2003+s0...

Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by kerkeslager on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:15PM (#20881505)
> You're gonna be ad-blasted, have inconsistent video quality, and be given a million popups.

If you're seeing ads and popups, you should get an ad-blocker and update it. No one should be seeing these in 2019. The quality I noted, but I also noted that you can torrent higher-quality video easily.

> Also, the availability is not nearly what you think it is.

> https://www.google.com/search?q=battlestar+galactica+2003+s0....

I clicked your link. Second page of results, first result, was a link to DailyMotion where the full 54-minute episode was available to stream in quality as good as it was in 2003.

I suspect the fact that this shows up on the second page of search results instead of the first is a success of DMCA threats against Google, not a success of DRM. But I'm sure if you added some combination of keywords like "torrent", "stream" or "free" you could get an illegal copy to show up as the first result.

I'm not encouraging anyone to do this. I encourage everyone to pay for content with money, preferably in the most direct way you can so the creators actually get the money. I'm just saying that DRM only affects people who want to do things the "proper" way. People who don't want to pay for content can easily bypass DRM with a Google search.

Re:DRM Broke Its Promise by qes on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @04:29PM (#20881097)
https://i.imgur.com/RFasK8b.jpg

30 seconds and I can be quite sure there are no ads, malware, popups, and impeccable video quality.

They're all still being seeded with enough bandwidth to max my 100+ Mbps cable connection, too.