News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by 033803throwaway on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:16PM (#20878635)
Marriage is a wonderful institution and the children that come from it are the greatest gift you can be given.

Our culture tells us the opposite. But our culture is insane and wants you to be an isolated, rootless, consumer wage slave.

Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by kiliantics on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:29PM (#20881627)
There's no logical reason why we should necessarily uphold the institution of marriage and the nuclear family as the foundational structure of society. We could all enjoy fulfilling relationships with each other and with our community's children without marriage. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that we are failing many people in society by only legitimising those relationships that are based in marriage and legal parenthood/guardianship of children.

Historically, most humans did not marry and were engaged in collective child-rearing, rather than foisting the responsibility on a single pair of parents that were either biologically or legally bound to a child. These practices only emerged with the agricultural revolution. I think it's easy to imagine that children would have a far more enriching experience of growing up if they were cared for by a larger group of people with a wider range of age, experience, skills, etc. Not to mention that it would help with the problems of children growing up in "broken" or single-parent households, where they may experience poor or insufficient care and attention due to economic hardship or parental absence.

Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by tenebrisalietum on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:24PM (#20878718)
> Marriage is a wonderful institution and the children that come from it are the greatest gift you can be given.

This is true only if the finances are there to support it and both people really want it. In which case any "institution" can be considered wonderful and the fruit of it a "gift."

Most people can't get out of the consumer wage slave trap, it's their only opportunity or the only one they know about or can use to try to be in a better economic situation.

Children strain things and make things less happy between the mom and dad in a lot of marriages unless there's enough money.

Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by JakeTheAndroid on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:32PM (#20878817)
A close friend of mine had her mom and step dad married for easily 25 years and they both hated each other. He hated her kids (that lived with them) she hated his kids that were weed dealers (tbf so were her kids thats how I knew them lol). She gambled online all night or went to bingo, while he powered through a 30 pack on a Tuesday chillin on the couch.

They had to stay together because they couldn't afford to live without the other. They were already in a small ass apartment, they didn't have assets to liquidate. They were slaves to each other because they needed the money.

Unfortunately some of my close friends are stuck in a similar situation. Luckily they like each other more than the case above and have pretty much always struggled financially. But it's clear they need each others income to survive, and they just had a kid. Hoping they can maintain the love.

Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by malvosenior on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:26PM (#20878748)
There are plenty of poor people in happy marriages (with children). Sometimes it's better to struggle together than alone.
Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by thanatropism on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:35PM (#20878844)
Modulo taxes, how is a DINK couple worse off than two individuals each living in their own place? There's significant economies of scale.
Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by jlarocco on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:49PM (#20879008)
> ... and the children that come from it are the greatest gift you can be given.

LOL! You can keep 'em.

I'm happy it works for you, but it's not for everybody.

Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by blaser-waffle on Thursday September 05, 2019 @09:35AM (#20886500)
>But our culture is insane and wants you to be an isolated, rootless, consumer wage slave

See also: Jihad vs. McWorld by Barber, it is essentially a discussion of that phenomenon. Forcing everyone into a consumer role is liberating in some ways if you're someone who never had those rights (dalits in India, housewives in the West), but now you're just another wage slave competing against everyone else for their slice of the profits.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad_vs._McWorld

Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by thefz on Thursday September 05, 2019 @03:49AM (#20884688)
Thanks to higher education, a lot of people now have realized that their own life is worth living beyond the two catholic-born axioms of family and succession, and are looking to experience their whole existence just for themselves. There's no mega corporation or consumerism involved, just lucid realization of one's own aspirations and desires.
Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by dominotw on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:25PM (#20878728)
> Marriage is a wonderful institution and the children that come from it are the greatest gift you can be given.

Perhaps this is true for you personally. How do you know that this an "universal truth".

Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by monkeynotes on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:35PM (#20878837)
I translate 'marriage' to 'mature monogamous partnership' and I think scientific research shows that people who have a happy long-term partnership live longer than lonely single individuals. Perhaps especially true if children are part of that partnership.

I don't think simply being married equates to happiness though. The institution is probably irrelevant when held up to the quality of the actual relationship.

Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by agilebyte on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:43PM (#20878928)
Correct, it's having a partner that has an impact on our wellbeing. Also, last time I checked psychology textbooks having children had a neutral effect.
Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by francisofascii on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @01:09PM (#20879220)
This message needs to be tempered a bit. Marriage can and often requires hard work, pain, struggle, and sacrifice. To say it is wonderful is wrong and will lead to disillusionment. Working through arguments, child issues, sex deprivation, affairs, moves, finances, etc. can be very rewarding and worth the struggle, but it is not wonderful all the time.
Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by paggle on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:21PM (#20878689)
Seriously. I used to be on a high flying career path and was pretty happy about it. Then I had kids and realized I never knew what happiness was. I have about $2m and will be going to stay at home dad soon. Now everything at work seems like such utter bullshit. Who cares if this code compiles or not. We’re all just useless worms on a piece of dust. I’m going to spend my femtosecond with my kids.
Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by monkeynotes on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:41PM (#20878908)
Elephant in the room is the $2m in the bank. This alone affords you the perspective to value family life over all else. If you were struggling to make rent and feed your kids you might find that children are a burden and stress. I don't think this would necessarily make you love them any less, but some of my friends have warned me off of deciding to have children because of the financial strain that comes part-and-parcel for the average person with kids.
Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by paggle on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:46PM (#20878966)
I recognize that my situation is not normal. But I see people around with me with much more who are still hunting for more.
Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by dominotw on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @05:15PM (#20881503)
how did you calculate that $2m is enough?
Re:The divorce rate has fallen because the demographics of m... by 033803throwaway on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @12:31PM (#20878806)
Amen.

And congratulations.

But you are not a useless worm and this is not a piece of dust.