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Re:NLP's Clever Hans Moment Has Arrived by foldr on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @03:59AM (#20864491)
We know that "this" can't be the answer because we know that humans aren't fooled by the inputs that were crafted to fool the language model.
Re:NLP's Clever Hans Moment Has Arrived by mirekrusin on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @05:42AM (#20864993)
Is it a fair comparison? Give algorithm few orders of magnitude better computation power and as many years of unbounded train data as humans get - and draw conclusions on those results, no?
Re:NLP's Clever Hans Moment Has Arrived by foldr on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @06:56AM (#20865318)
Researchers are free to do that, to the extent that it's feasible. Until they have, it seems pointless to speculate.
Re:NLP's Clever Hans Moment Has Arrived by almostarockstar on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @04:14AM (#20864564)
In that specific example, yes. But in general, I think the "we are all Clever Hans" is right at least to some degree.
Re:NLP's Clever Hans Moment Has Arrived by slavik81 on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @05:18AM (#20864870)
Clever Hans couldn't answer the simplest of questions if the asker didn't already know the answer. If we were all Clever Hans, there'd be nobody left to feed us answers.

Human knowledge was created by humans. We might repeat it blindly too, but somebody had to create it first. That is fundamentally different from what Hans did.

Re:NLP's Clever Hans Moment Has Arrived by foldr on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @04:47AM (#20864720)
Why? The idea that human intelligence also "fake" is just a convenient excuse for the lack of any real progress in AI. We hear the same thing at the tail end of every overblown AI hype cycle. Well, gee, maybe humans aren't that smart anyway!
Re:NLP's Clever Hans Moment Has Arrived by pas on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @04:31AM (#20875132)
Why are we equating brute force with fake?

The human mind has many faculties, and the brain has correspondingly many functionally different elements. Plus years of brute force learning.

Compared to GPT2, AlphaZero and whatever we are waay more complex and had a lot more training done.

Probably the super secret sauce is in the hyperparameters that determine how to cobble all those functional components together to get something more than the simple sum of them. (But they are also learned and brute forced through evolution.)

AI needs better brains. (So R&D can proceed faster. We can test new ideas cheaper, we can optimize algorithms, so they'll learn and perform better.)

Re:NLP's Clever Hans Moment Has Arrived by foldr on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @06:48AM (#20875845)
I'm not sure that I am equating brute force with fake.
Re:NLP's Clever Hans Moment Has Arrived by ozymandias12 on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @01:20PM (#20868793)
Are you saying we should teach machines to math before teaching them to speak?