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Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by telesilla on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @03:47AM (#20864420)
This is happening right now in Kashmir.

https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/08/28/india-restore-kashmirs-i...

It really makes me wonder whether a strong movement towards mesh networks could resolve this. What are the ways authorities could block a community network? At least information could be spread this way, and might have saved the Zimbabwean journalist.

Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by taurath on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @03:58AM (#20864486)
Signal jamming. Transmission detection vans to find base c&c stations. Device confiscation and outlawing.
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by shubb on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @05:36AM (#20864957)
Laser mesh... There is an ongoing fight between the UK radio regulator and illegal radio stations. The regulator has detector vans, so it's a similar situation to what you describe.

They can find transmittors, but their objective is to find the studio, which needs a live link to the transmitter.

As I understand it, the pirates break out onto the roof of tall buildings, especially public housing towers, and place transmitters. These will be found, so they gotta have a way of linking them back to home.

Sure, they could use mobile data (has its own opsec problems), or hacked residential wifi and a VPN (add real prisong itme of a hacking charge to the sheet when you get court).

Apparently what they often do is use a cantena link - a focussed beam of wifi to some distant place, which can be very difficult to pinpoint accurately. I also saw a doc where they used lasers.

These days though, I think a lot of them just stream on the internet.

Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by Nextgrid on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @09:14AM (#20866161)
Just wondering why can't Tor & the internet be used to transmit the source signal? Seems like a perfect candidate - the FM transmitter gets the source signal off a Tor Hidden Service - if it's seized there's no way to locate where the hidden service is actually hosted.
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by telesilla on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @10:23AM (#20866718)
What I'm imagining is a true mesh network where there is no "home", only distributed data. You take down one transmitter, another one takes up the slack. It seems prudent in this case to learn know more about tracing, and thereby avoiding tracing, the source of a Wifi transmitter.
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by sjg007 on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @10:35AM (#20866849)
This is sort of the idea behind Piped Piper in Silicon Valley.. Everybody has an app that shares the data with everyone. My guess is that it is striped across the devices.
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by taurath on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @01:56PM (#20869196)
Has it’s own problems, similar to bitcoin. If you create a bunch of nodes that feed into a warehouse you might end up owning a majority of the data, and have de facto control of the network.

Plus the overuse of device radios, storage etc. 802.11s does great at keeping power low while acting as a pass through, but storing data on the device requires a lot of availability for the device, and duplication has to be done to make sure you can access your stripes. Good for single use messages, bad for anything large.

Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by sjg007 on Thursday September 05, 2019 @10:35AM (#20887058)
There may be a fix to that problem.. need to think about it.
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by mgreenleaf on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @08:57AM (#20866012)
Do you have urls for any sources? sounds like an interesting read.
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by Aromasin on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @09:38AM (#20866334)
Other than the pirate stations around London, they're not quite as proliferate as they once were with the advent of the internet. They have a colourful history in the UK however, with some stations broadcasting from international waters in the 60's just off the UK to circumvent the monopoly the BBC and record companies had on music. I highly recommend watching 'The Boat That Rocked' for a good comedy based on it.

Below are some interesting reads on the culture:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_radio_in_the_United_Kin...

https://www.transdiffusion.org/2008/08/01/on_the_run_the

http://www.thepiratearchive.net/

https://web.archive.org/web/20090324075718/http://www.freewe...

Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by sandworm101 on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @10:22AM (#20866710)
In the US it was released as "Pirate radio". A great movie under either title but my american friends didnt get the dunkirk reference in the final act.
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by mgreenleaf on Wednesday September 04, 2019 @02:59AM (#20874651)
Thank you!
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by em-bee on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @01:59PM (#20869242)
> These days though, I think a lot of them just stream on the internet.

which is generally legal.

but then we are back to the original problem, the internet being down...

Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by kuu on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @03:58AM (#20864485)
Kashmir it's mentioned in the article.

It also mentions this, which I found surprisingly high:

In all, more than a quarter of the world’s nations have used the tactic at one point or another over the past four years.

Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by icebraining on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @05:56AM (#20865071)
Sneakernet is probably safer. Flash drives, wifi-direct between cellphones, etc. Plus it works without custom hardware (which may be restricted) and software (which requires specific knowledge).
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by sandworm101 on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @10:24AM (#20866731)
No safer for the people smuggling the data. Getting caught with an encrypted usb drive can land you in a world of hurt.
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by icebraining on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @11:12AM (#20867257)
Sure, it's still dangerous, but at least it's something you can try to hide, rather than broadcast around you!
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by jesusthatsgreat on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @05:49AM (#20865036)
Cut electricity. That puts an end to modern communication.
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by fit2rule on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @08:33AM (#20865876)
I regularly get up a mountain and spend some time in a hut that is well off the grid. The end to modern communication is one of the reasons I spend time hiking to get up there.

Even still, lately, its been a great place get back to after a day of further marching around, to watch movies and catch up on some writing work, listen to or make some music (electronic) or hack on some code .. the point is: solar-all-the-things is actually working. There is so much energy up there... and especially on the side of a mountain.

On some spots up there, I can hang a portable water generator, and the camp will have electric heat .. a small wifi hub .. a couple miniPC's worth of movies and so on ..

So, I dunno, I think there is quite a way to avoid grid-based electricity consumption, as long as you a) have the gear, and b) are willing to go to remote places to harvest the hell out of it ..

Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by bujak on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @05:57AM (#20865074)
Electricity is cut ten times a day in India. They know how to deal with that, everyone is running a generator.
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by icebraining on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @05:57AM (#20865076)
Nope: solar panels, gas generators, even handcranked chargers are enough to keep a cellphone going.
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by TeMPOraL on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @06:11AM (#20865137)
But not a cellphone tower. Not covertly. And if cell towers are down, cellphones are useless.
Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by icebraining on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @07:07AM (#20865376)
> if cell towers are down, cellphones are useless.

The thread on the front page about HK shows that's not true.

Re:Life in an Internet Shutdown by closeparen on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @04:37PM (#20870909)
We had jamming, frequency hopping, direction finding, etc. in WWII. Since then we’ve had 70+ years and hundreds of billions of dollars of electronic warfare R&D. If we’re competitive against the Russian or Chinese military industrial complex for control of RF in a battlefield scenario, we can certainly crush a civilian hobbyist mesh network.