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Re:Tired of Stack Overflow by galaxyLogic on Monday September 02, 2019 @02:34PM (#20860982)
It would be much better if users added their down-votes in the comments because then they would feel some need to explain why they down-vote something. In fact I think IT SHOULD BE REQUIRED to give a reason for your down-vote (if down-votes are allowed in general)

An SO down-vote is not simply an "opinion", it affects your karma-score, perhaps even your chances of getting hired.

Re:Tired of Stack Overflow by umvi on Monday September 02, 2019 @02:51PM (#20861078)
FWIW, I've done this before ("I downvoted you because...") and the question asker, instead of trying to improve their question, got combative/defensive which is not necessarily desirable either.

It's lose/lose. Don't tell them why and they get frustrated, tell them why and they get defensive. It takes a rare user to take the feedback and use it to improve their question.

Re:Tired of Stack Overflow by isodude on Monday September 02, 2019 @04:54PM (#20861688)
It's easier than you think. And I've thought that I was doing the right thing for a long time except I wasn't. Any time you explain something you first need to establish that you are on the same level as the submitter, then you can give advice. Like, "I see that you really tried with this question and you almost made it, if we rephrase it a bit it would improve even further!" It's true that most people have a problem with listening on feedback, but maybe it's a chicken and egg problem and you may be the solution to just that individual. We need to have a major postitive uplift on the forums of the Internet and you may be just that :)
Re:Tired of Stack Overflow by galaxyLogic on Monday September 02, 2019 @09:45PM (#20863079)
> most people have a problem with listening on feedback

That is so true, even people giving negative feedback have trouble when they get negative feedback from someone else. Therefore I think the system, the site, should make it easier to give positive feedback, than negative.

To you know bring about a positive community feeling. The purpose of the site should be to help its users not to make oneself the over-arbiter of what is correct what is not.

Facebook has its share of problems but excessive unexplained down-votes is not one of them.

Re:Tired of Stack Overflow by isodude on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @02:05AM (#20864046)
Make it possible to only be positive and you will reach a better goal. Rather than moderate the users, moderate the mods such every response they give is purely positive.

This will spread and people will cling on. Soon you will reach self moderation due to the positive nature of the community.

Learning to accept feedback is much about learning that you may actually receive positive feedback and that your self worth is enough.

So I was listening to l to this guy Jim Thuresson which is a mental coach. His life is basically breathing positiviness, and his take on it is, it works, you shoukd do it too. If you fill your head space with 100% positive thoughts there's no room for anything negative. Maybe going on strong here, but it's such an important message. I just winder how we bring that thought onto the Internet.

Re:Tired of Stack Overflow by mdaniel on Monday September 02, 2019 @04:15PM (#20861495)
I like this taxonomy: https://idownvotedbecau.se although I would suggest there needs to be an "AND" mechanism, because https://idownvotedbecau.se/nodebugging/ is 80% of what I see, followed by https://idownvotedbecau.se/noattempt/ and its https://idownvotedbecau.se/unclearquestion/ friend. https://idownvotedbecau.se/imageofcode/ is annoying, for sure, but I rarely downvote for it, so long as the actual text is legible.
Re:Tired of Stack Overflow by michaelmrose on Monday September 02, 2019 @03:19PM (#20861228)
Why do you think that their obligation derives from how you imagine their downvote will effect your life instead of the rules of the site?

Neither stack overflow nor your fellow users are obliged to you beyond the standards set by the site and general human decency.

It takes 1 second to downvote a low value comment. It might take 5-20 minutes of conversing with a stranger who is likely to respond rudely to criticism. Less voting means less curation means wading through more lower quality materials. I don't want to use worse websites so you can have more imaginary internet points.

Don't like it use a different website.

Re:Tired of Stack Overflow by galaxyLogic on Monday September 02, 2019 @09:36PM (#20863043)
> It takes 1 second to downvote a low value comment.

Agreed, except I think that is the problem.

It takes ZERO seconds to not give points at all to a low-quality comment. And the site should take care readers see the comments with more points before those with fewer points.

> Don't like it use a different website.

I think you are saying nobody can or should criticize Stack Overflow and its cadre of super-super-users because nobody is forced to use it.

It's a bit like saying hey you asylum seeker we put you in a cell with standing-room only for weeks and separated you from your children and put your baby in a cage without anybody changing their diapers ever, but if you don't like that, seek asylum in a different country. You can't criticize us because it is you who came here.

Re:Tired of Stack Overflow by michaelmrose on Monday September 02, 2019 @10:07PM (#20863172)
I think allowing users to subtract points leads to a larger delta between good and bad content leading to a better differentiation and ranking of content insofar as voters are good judges. I think this is mathematically unassailable.

All that's left to discuss is strategies for maximizing the quality of votes and voters. Ex minimizing the impact of low quality voters by requiring rep to vote.

I think highly paid professionals whose wages mostly put them in the top 10% of the world have an easier time changing tech support forums, perhaps by opening a new tab, than the refugees fleeing murder and mayhem with nothing but the clothes on their backs have of picking a different country to land in.

Perhaps pick a less disgusting comparison.

Re:Tired of Stack Overflow by galaxyLogic on Monday September 02, 2019 @10:28PM (#20863274)
> top 10% of the world have an easier time changing tech support forums

Surely. I was just saying it is a "little bit like" that. The principle seems to be the same: You can't criticize because ... you chose to use Stack Overflow for help. Go elsewhere if you don't like it.

Surely that is what people who don't like it do. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't express their opinions about it.