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Re:Date labels on food packaging sow consumer confusion and ... by curuinor on Sunday September 01, 2019 @11:35PM (#20856599)
The problem is density. The hawker stalls in Singapore are exactly this (pojangmachas and cafeteria dealios in Seoul, hawkers in Hong Kong), but they get to have it and your suburb doesn't because they have enough soulless 50 story apartments. Ask for a 50 story soulless concrete apartment in your neighborhood today!
Re:Date labels on food packaging sow consumer confusion and ... by arcticbull on Monday September 02, 2019 @02:08AM (#20857088)
There’s nothing soulless about high density, it’s efficient, environmentally friendly and to your point allows and supports diversity in recreation and dining. It’s the inescapable future of human civilization, in a good way. Would you describe living in New York as soulless? It’s time to get over the dog/white picket fence/2.5 kids delusion.
Re:Date labels on food packaging sow consumer confusion and ... by jacquesm on Monday September 02, 2019 @01:28AM (#20856953)
It's a very logical connection: low density housing leads to low density commerce and transportation problems. See also: strip malls.
Re:Date labels on food packaging sow consumer confusion and ... by bobthepanda on Monday September 02, 2019 @03:16AM (#20857314)
Soulless 50 story apartments are better than soulless cookie cutter detached homes, because at least with the former it‘s easier to escape total isolation. And of course it is better for the environment.
Re:Date labels on food packaging sow consumer confusion and ... by southerntofu on Monday September 02, 2019 @05:52AM (#20857948)
Neither option is humane. In both cases, the capitalist illness has destroyed any sense of community.

Nobody in big cities knows their neighbors. And very few people organize against poverty, against their bosses, landlords, and police abuse. They could have a good life if they did, but don't underestimate the capacity of an oppressive system to isolate people (because it's the only way it can survive).

Re:Date labels on food packaging sow consumer confusion and ... by bobthepanda on Tuesday September 03, 2019 @10:08PM (#20873340)
I mean, the former Warsaw Pact states are also full of lots of "soulless" dense housing, just Communist-flavored.

You can have lots of housing, cheap housing, and quality housing, but never really all three. Vienna, which a lot of people like bringing up as an example of a friendly masss housing program, recorded flat or declining population every decade until 2000, and has still not recovered from its pre-WWI peak, which wasn't even very big at 2M people.

Re:Date labels on food packaging sow consumer confusion and ... by odiroot on Monday September 02, 2019 @08:08AM (#20858570)
High density housing works in S'pore just because it's S'pore.

People respect the rules (otherwise they face consequences for asocial behaviour) and this makes the city function like a well oiled machine.

The same scheme wouldn't work in many Western cities, too many self-absorbed people thinking they're more important than their community.

Re:Date labels on food packaging sow consumer confusion and ... by gerbilly on Monday September 02, 2019 @09:16AM (#20858923)
> too many self-absorbed people thinking they're more important than their community.

If people in Singapore are more community minded, then why the need for the harsh enforcement? (You know, public whippings for putting your shoes on the wrong feet or whatever...)

Re:Date labels on food packaging sow consumer confusion and ... by azmodeus on Monday September 02, 2019 @09:04AM (#20858858)
It does work in the West you just need to enforce the rules. There are Western countries that do this well and there are ones that fail at enforcing these rules.
Re:Date labels on food packaging sow consumer confusion and ... by odiroot on Monday September 02, 2019 @11:55AM (#20859848)
This is why I didn't write "all". I saw it working in Switzerland myself.