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Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by smush on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @03:45PM (#20813721)
> In my perfect world browsers have RSS support built in and aggregators like Facebook would allow RSS feeds to be published in timelines.

We had this too...Firefox Live Bookmarks, yanked away because their metrics said no one used them...forgetting the kind of person who is techie enough to use RSS feeds is probably techie enough to turn off telemetry :/

I use them to this day in Waterfox, tried the Livemarks addon but its not the same.

Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by orf on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @05:14PM (#20814455)
Nobody did use them though. They belong in an extension, it's the perfect use case. Pick any of the hundreds. Like this great one: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/awesome-rss/

Also why would you use Waterfox. It's like Firefox ESR, with a few changed settings and much slower security updates.

Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by hobs on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @05:31PM (#20814574)
Why - they work fine, they dont change, they dont add a burden to the existing product?

Taking something that works out of your product doesnt ever make people happy, and its never "the perfect use case" to remove features that work.

Its a "well that's ok that we wont take this on anymore and let those users manage their own problem" use case.

Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by orf on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @05:38PM (#20814657)
> they dont add a burden to the existing product?

I assume you work in tech, maybe even as a developer. So you know full well that every single unused line of code, let alone an entire feature, adds a maintenance, security, documentation and testing burden.

> and its never "the perfect use case" to remove features that work.

It absolutely is, if it makes those features better and gives them a focused place to develop outside of the core browser.

If you're so upset about it literally go and press one big blue "Add to firefox" button and have all the previous features, and more, back in under 10 seconds.

Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by jolmg on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @06:03PM (#20814880)
Yet Pocket is a core part of Firefox instead of an extension.
Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by munk-a on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @06:05PM (#20814895)
And many times have I thought that Pocket should also be in an extension and wondered why Mozilla is taking on the first party responsibility for it - maybe they get some partnership money?
Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by mkl on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @06:33PM (#20815116)
Mozilla owns Pocket.
Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by gregknicholson on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:24AM (#20817634)
And yet the server-side part is still closed-source.

Mozilla's manifesto is just marketing now — it's obvious they don't really believe it any more.

Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by orf on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @06:55PM (#20815262)
That's because Mozilla literally owns Pocket, and sure, it's also perfect for an extension. So you can see why they might be willing to take on that maintenance burden for an uptick in usage.

And I'm not sure how that invalidates anything I said above, or really is of any relevance at all.

Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by jolmg on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @07:54PM (#20815564)
The relevance is that you said

> Nobody did use them though. They belong in an extension, it's the perfect use case. [...] every single unused line of code, let alone an entire feature, adds a maintenance, security, documentation and testing burden.

And the same holds true for Pocket.

Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by orf on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @08:16PM (#20815678)
It's not the same thing. At all.

Pocket is used by people and is a feature Mozilla want to prominently integrate with Firefox. This is due to the financial gains they directly get when someone signs up for Pocket premium.

It's not an unused, dusty feature that's adding a burden to the platform and is a net time + money sink. It's something that makes them money.

As I said, in the comment you just replied to, even if nobody did use pocket then this would be a burden they are willing to take. So, comparing RSS feeds to pocket on the fact that it can be implemented as an extension alone is a nonsensical point.

Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by gregknicholson on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:27AM (#20817652)
Pocket directly competes against the open web (in the form of RSS/Atom). If Mozilla was a values-based organisation they would be promoting the open web at least as much as they promote their own proprietary system.
Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by ryacko on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:29AM (#20818169)
If Mozilla offered a browser that people could pay for without having default settings to maximize revenue, the open web could be maintained.
Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by TeMPOraL on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:50AM (#20818022)
The relevance is that at browser scale, it's the browser that drives adoption, not the other way around. Removing RSS support from the browser makes people use it less. Mozilla understands this, otherwise they wouldn't promote Pocket to browser core.
Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by benjaminjackman on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @05:29AM (#20818167)
I’m personally not upset just worried about the fact that security is now a huge risk because you’re having to trust an extension creator that has access to your entire browser history or worse and who is one auto-update from turning to spy or malware.

You also have a discovery problem having to wade through multiple options increasing your surface area to malware exposure.

IIRC this isn’t even theoretical it’s happened with ones that replaced user style sheets, another “unused” feature that was gradually deprecated.

Maybe the best way forward is to take an apple iPhone approach and have official extensions, similar to the apps that come with the iPhone like the podcast one.

Then when these features are removed they are instead moved to an official extension. Thereby mitigating the security risk and alleviating the discovery problems.

The community can take over these extensions and you have a starting point to personally adapt and fork them that is a lot simpler and faster than trying to maintain a browser fork.

Further the browser maker can more directly see usage of these feature replacing extensions

And finally, when removing features ensure the extensions api has the power to support their replacement.

Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @05:32PM (#20814591)
> they dont add a burden to the existing product?

Of course scope creep adds a burden. It's one more thing Mozilla developers have to tend to.

Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by smush on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @08:03AM (#20818907)
> Also why would you use Waterfox. It's like Firefox ESR, with a few changed settings and much slower security updates.

Waterfox preserves Live Bookmarks, doesn't do telemetry, was unaffected by expired certificate killing all addons (my FF mobile was affected so I basically had no mobile browser for a few days), among other reasons.

I know after a while I will be forced back to Chromified Firefox when development of Waterfox comes to an end, but at least for now, I can stretch out the moment of a non-Googly browser + Live Bookmarks a few more months or years like whats-her-name in Doctor Strange.

Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by rsscircus on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @01:50AM (#20817147)
Want My RSS is also a pretty good Firefox extension to detect, display and subscribe to RSS feeds https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/want-my-rss/
Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by spiderfarmer on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @03:50PM (#20813764)
That’s one of the reasons I have Telemetry turned on. Just to show what I am using, so there’s less reasons to remove something.
Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by choward on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @07:46PM (#20815524)
Do you think that's what telemetry is actually used for?
Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by apetresc on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @08:19PM (#20815694)
...yes?
Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by notriddle on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @09:14PM (#20816023)
But did technie users employ live bookmarks? I love RSS, but I prefer to use readers that keep track of what I've read, mix more than one feed into the same chronological list, and have better presentation than a freaking drop-down menu.
Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by smush on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @08:06AM (#20818930)
I've used them continuously since 2005. The dropdown menu is just fine to answer the question 'has Twin Dragons webcomic added another post yet'? or 'whats new in the liliputing.com world'? without any context swaps to -> open a new program on desktop or phone and scroll through a (granted, owned by you, not FB) newsfeed for an hour.
Re:Please Add RSS Support to Your Site by andrewshadura on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @01:50AM (#20817151)
Why would I want to turn off the telemetry?