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Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by ralusek on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @03:15PM (#20813420)
I have said this for years. Asians, particularly Asian males, are the only racial group in America subject to overt policies meant to disadvantage them on the basis of their race, and nobody cares. Asian immigrants to the US tend to embody more than any ethnic group precisely the characteristics that are supposed to constitute America. Meanwhile we're playing games of trying to tease out how implicit bias might be impacting XYZ, or taking population outcomes as evidence of systemic bias impacting other groups, when disadvantages put on Asian individuals are explicitly laid out as systemic and on the basis of their race.
Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by jimbob45 on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @03:44PM (#20813695)
Meh. Happens to us white males too. Adversity makes us stronger or something.
Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by usrlocaletc on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:43AM (#20817988)
I recall the pleasure of riding a slow, long school bus meandering around the city for 3 hours a day for 4 school years because there were "too many whites/Asians" at a school on the same block where I lived. Gotta love bureaucratically-proscribed "equality of outcome" policies foisting inequity of treatment externalities onto individuals based on their race. Definitely not racism, because racism can't happen to white males due to the celebration of the hierarchy of victimhood, right?
Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by cheriot on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @04:57PM (#20814345)
> Asian males, are the only racial group in America subject to overt policies meant to disadvantage them on the basis of their race

I'd recommend reading The Color of Law, https://www.epi.org/publication/the-color-of-law-a-forgotten...

Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by ralusek on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @05:15PM (#20814457)
Redlining has been illegal for 50 years. I'm aware of historical policies.
Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by jonnybgood on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @05:36PM (#20814637)
And those people who were affected by it are still alive and still living in its shadow. The damage has already been done and it's going to take more than one generation before its affects start to fade.
Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by ralusek on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @07:41PM (#20815496)
Where did I make the claim that people's circumstances today would be unaffected by history?
Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by cheriot on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @01:05AM (#20816919)
here's a more recent example than redlining https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/09/us/sausalito-school-segre...
Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by waterhouse on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @01:21AM (#20816990)
> A California school district outside of San Francisco agreed to desegregate its schools on Friday, after a two-year state investigation found that the district had “knowingly and intentionally maintained and exacerbated” racial segregation and even established an intentionally segregated school.

> In the Sausalito case, the state said the district had violated the equal protection clause of the California Constitution.

> The settlement, filed in state court in San Francisco...

Sounds like it was (a) not overt (if it took a two-year investigation to establish it), (b) illegal, and (c) eventually punished under preexisting law.

Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by T3OU-736 on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @07:59AM (#20818881)
> and (c) eventually punished under preexisting law. While I agree with you on this point, punishment does not mean repair or restore, which is the sad part.

Prevention, through detection (which goes to your point of "(a) not overt (if it took a two-year investigation to establish it)" seems like the better thing for these sorts of circumstances, but is a lot more difficult to achieve. Part of me, possibly naively, believes that transparency is the answer, so that those of us who care can determine things without a 2 year investigation, but that feels... too simplistic. Not sure what a better answer is, though.

Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by cheriot on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @10:43AM (#20820271)
If blatant is not overt in this context then I'm curious what the overt discrimination against asian males is?
Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by cheriot on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @06:37PM (#20815150)
That's not the only subject of the book
Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by akhilcacharya on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @08:08PM (#20815640)
I’m an Asian male. How exactly has it disadvantaged you?
Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by ralusek on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @08:45PM (#20815850)
I think you should maybe re-read what I wrote.
Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by akhilcacharya on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @09:44PM (#20816143)
It was pretty clear.

> when disadvantages put on Asian individuals are explicitly laid out as systemic and on the basis of their race.

What exactly have I been disadvantaged in?

Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by ralusek on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @03:24AM (#20817631)
Oh, you assumed I was Asian. Now I understand your original post.

The areas Asians are disadvantaged in are college admissions and hiring practices. There is an active lawsuit against YouTube for issuing freezes on hiring white and Asian males, on the premise that they needed to hire more people from other racial/ethnic groups. This is simply not something that would happen to another minority group. The people that tend to otherwise fixate on racial identity and collective privilege will typically also conveniently ignore Asians, whose successes in this "white supremacist" nation throw a bit of a wrench in their world view.

Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by akhilcacharya on Wednesday August 28, 2019 @04:05PM (#20823516)
> There is an active lawsuit against YouTube for issuing freezes on hiring white and Asian males, on the premise that they needed to hire more people from other racial/ethnic groups.

I've interviewed with Google multiple times without issue

> whose successes in this "white supremacist" nation throw a bit of a wrench in their world view.

Interesting that you should mention that, because perceived/actual white supremacy is a reason why Asians are voting overwhelmingly against Republicans today.

Re:College Board Drops Plans for SAT Student Adversity Score by SamReidHughes on Tuesday August 27, 2019 @10:53PM (#20816452)
"Asian" in American lingo usually doesn't include Indians. It's basically Chinese/Japanese/Korean.