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Re:The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than M... by jandrewrogers on Monday August 26, 2019 @03:22PM (#20802842)
Poor people in the US, the demographic being discussed here, all have access to free medical care at the same clinics middle class people use. This is partly paid for by the government from taxes and partly subsidized by the non-poor users of medical services.

I grew up very poor in the US. We never paid for anything healthcare related, and still have poor relatives receiving excellent free healthcare today.

Re:The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than M... by rgbrenner on Monday August 26, 2019 @03:49PM (#20803042)
False. Medicaid eligibility requirements vary by state. In Mississippi, for example, they cover children and pregnant women at roughly the same income level as other states... but the parents of those children aren't covered if the household makes more than $227/mo (+78/mo for each additional household member).

If you don't have children? No coverage unless you're in a very specific category (disabled, covered by medicare, etc)... no matter how poor and destitute you are.

https://www.healthinsurance.org/mississippi-medicaid/

Missouri: no medicaid if you aren't disabled or have children (and you're below 381/mo for a family of 3): https://www.healthinsurance.org/missouri-medicaid/

Same in TN: https://www.healthinsurance.org/tennessee-medicaid/

Same in TX: https://www.healthinsurance.org/texas-medicaid/

Seriously, go through the states that haven't accepted the ACA expansion: https://www.healthinsurance.org/medicaid/

These poor people are not getting Medicaid.

Re:The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than M... by jandrewrogers on Monday August 26, 2019 @04:14PM (#20803272)
Who said anything about Medicaid? That is a Federal program that States can opt into to varying degrees, and most States have longstanding separate programs for the purpose. The landscape of how free healthcare is delivered is complicated. Like education, it is the prerogative of the States so any Federal view is only going to tell a small part of the story.

I should add, all of my experience is decades before the ACA Medicaid expansion.

Re:The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than M... by dragonwriter on Monday August 26, 2019 @04:53PM (#20803652)
> Who said anything about Medicaid? That is a Federal program that States can opt into to varying degrees, and most States have longstanding separate programs for the purpose.

No, they don't. Many states name their Medicaid-participating program with a local name that does not include “Medicaid”—California’s is “Medi-Cal”, Oregon’s is “Oregon Health Plan”—but none of them have a general, broad coverage health insurance program for the poor that is not the state Medicaid plan (except to the extent that their CHIP program is separate from their Medicaid program, but that is usually not the case, and CHIP is, in any case, a similar federal program to Medicaid, but newer.)

> I should add, all of my experience is decades before the ACA Medicaid expansion.

At a minimum, your generalization of your experience across the country and across times and to the whole body of the poor and not those in specific circumstances, and the understanding of the administrative context which enabled your experience, is incorrect, but it's quite possible that the reported experience itself rather than the generalizations based on it (that is, that you had decent, free healthcare while being poor in the US) is correct, especially as a child.

Re:The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than M... by erentz on Monday August 26, 2019 @04:35PM (#20803494)
> Poor people in the US, the demographic being discussed here, all have access to free medical care at the same clinics middle class people use. This is partly paid for by the government from taxes and partly subsidized by the non-poor users of medical services.

This is simply not true. Maybe it was for you growing up where you lived, but I can assure you it isn't today in any part of the country I am familiar with. Our poor friends most certainly do not receive "free medical care at the same clinics middle class people use."

Re:The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than M... by novok on Monday August 26, 2019 @05:04PM (#20803757)
A lot of the these programs don't cover a good chunk of the working poor. If you worked full time at a minimum wage job in california for example, you'd be over the limits and wouldn't have healthcare as a result.
Re:The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than M... by dragonwriter on Monday August 26, 2019 @04:43PM (#20803558)
> Poor people in the US, the demographic being discussed here, all have access to free medical care at the same clinics middle class people use.

No, they don't. Poor people in the US have access to emergency care from the same hospital ERs other people use. They do not, as a rule, have access to general healthcare from the same clinics middle class people use; some of them may have Medicaid managed care plans that cover clinics otherwise used by the middle class, and some clinics that also have a middle class clientele may take fee-for-service Medicaid, but neither of those is generally the case. And some of the poor being discussed will not have access to Medicaid, anyway (not all states participate in expansion, and not all the poor are covered, especially in non-expansion states.)

Re:The Poorest 20% of Americans Are Richer on Average Than M... by adventured on Monday August 26, 2019 @03:31PM (#20802904)
I second that. I grew up poor in the US as well and received entirely free healthcare. I have a few poor relatives that receive free healthcare now due to their low income status, it's quite decent. They get access to exactly the same system as anybody else until you get into the top ~20% or so that are buying another tier of healthcare (easier access to the best specialists and latest medtech & biotech is the primary gap).