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Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by CydeWeys on Thursday August 22, 2019 @01:31PM (#20770456)
I interviewed with Palantir maybe seven years ago (didn't get the job) and definitely wasn't aware at the time that they were doing this kind of work, if they even were back then.

And had I known they were doing CBP stuff, I may have been OK with it under Obama even. It wasn't until Trump got elected and immigration policy became explicitly racist and enforcement child-separationy and concentration-campy that I really started opposing it.

Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by 1111236112347 on Thursday August 22, 2019 @02:00PM (#20770766)
The article is about work with HSI, not CBP. The scope of work that HSI does is much broader, here's a quote from wikipedia about it:

HSI special agents investigate violations of more than 400 U.S. laws that threaten the national security of the United States such as counter-proliferation and export violations, human rights violations/war crimes, human smuggling, art theft, human trafficking, drug smuggling and trafficking, arms trafficking, document and benefit fraud, the manufacturing and sale of counterfeit immigration and identity documents, transnational gangs, financial crimes including money laundering and bulk cash smuggling, trade-based money laundering (including trade finance and Kimberley Process investigations), computer crime, including child exploitation, intellectual property rights/trade fraud, import/export enforcement, trafficking of counterfeit pharmaceuticals and other merchandise, mass-marketing fraud, and international Cultural Property and Antiquities crimes.

Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by basseq on Thursday August 22, 2019 @02:41PM (#20771141)
Counter-anecdote: I interviewed with Palatir 6.5 years ago (also didn't get the job) and was absolutely made aware that a core part of their business was in law enforcement at both the Federal and State level.
Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by CydeWeys on Thursday August 22, 2019 @03:33PM (#20771590)
"This kind of work" means CBP and ICE stuff specifically, not just generic law enforcement. I was aware of the latter. The examples they were talking about were about tracking down financial fraud, which I am all in favor of. They weren't helping to put children in cages back then.
Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by ceejayoz on Thursday August 22, 2019 @02:44PM (#20771166)
For many folks, "we do business with the FBI" and "we do business with ICE" are still different moral realms.
Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by CydeWeys on Thursday August 22, 2019 @03:35PM (#20771607)
And ICE wasn't what many of us consider to be evil until recently, when Trump made it so.
Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by afutd on Thursday August 22, 2019 @09:29PM (#20773889)
Are you sure what ICE is doing is really all that much different and what’s instead dramatically different is your awareness of every even borderline thing ICE is doing now?

Just how familiar were you, or are you for that matter, with the full scope of ICE’s activities circa 2015?

Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by CydeWeys on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:56PM (#20774199)
ICE was not routinely separating children from their families back in 2015. They weren't putting kids in fucking cages. This false equivalence is nonsense.
Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by makomk on Friday August 23, 2019 @03:54PM (#20781915)
Remember that first iconic, heartwrenching photo of kids in fucking cages that started to circulate on social media? It was literally a photo from 2014 that was being misrepresented from the Trump era - and it keeps happening. Apparently some Democrat congressional members managed to misrepresent other photos from the same set just last month: https://nypost.com/2019/07/10/house-dems-use-obama-era-photo...

No-one described those kids in cages as kids in cages until Trump was elected. From what I could tell, only one local news outlet even ran with that shocking, arresting image of a kid in a cage looking into the camera when it was actually news.

Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by drak0n1c on Thursday August 22, 2019 @08:07PM (#20773543)
It's myopic to blame the enforcement of existing laws on Trump. Laws make it clear that stepping foot on US soil without authorization requires federal detention pending a court date. The court system is clogged due to the ease of entry and massive backlog. In early 2018 Democrats boycotted an opportunity to negotiate a change in the laws and build a wall. Despite all the criticisms of a wall, it is the only tool that would physically prevent and deter the majority of the 100k migrants stepping foot onto US soil every month, and thus solve the current overcrowding of facilities. Facilities that are on par with the rest of the developed world, if they aren't overcrowded.
Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by ceejayoz on Thursday August 22, 2019 @09:14PM (#20773807)
> It's myopic to blame the enforcement of existing laws on Trump.

That's silly. It's clear, given the contrast between Obama and Trump on this issue, that the President has substantial leeway on how ICE acts in this regard.

> Laws make it clear that stepping foot on US soil without authorization requires federal detention pending a court date.

This is plainly false. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_U...

Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by word-reader on Thursday August 22, 2019 @04:00PM (#20771827)
How has immigration policy in the US become "explicitly racist"? Immigration law has essentially remained unchanged. DACA was repealed, but DACA was an executive action not partial to country of origin. H-1B denials have increased, but based on pre-existing requirements and quotas. Administrative changes in asylum rules and public charge requirements affect every immigrant regardless of country of origin or race.
Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by belltaco on Thursday August 22, 2019 @04:37PM (#20772149)
Racist laws would be struck down, so it's not surprising that it's not explicit. However the political racist undertones are unmistakable.

https://beta.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-attacks-prote...

Regarding H-1B's, DHS almost made a decision to make many people on work visas criminals with a catch-22 situation because of the delays in processing H1 extensions. I wish I was making this up.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2018/07/11/new-u...

Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by sdenton4 on Thursday August 22, 2019 @04:19PM (#20771983)
Remember the Muslim ban? That was racist. You know, for starters...
Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by onepointsixC on Thursday August 22, 2019 @04:27PM (#20772051)
Banning visas from a list of failed states was not racist. You can say the rhetoric surrounding it was, but not the policy itself.
Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by fzeroracer on Thursday August 22, 2019 @05:56PM (#20772762)
So if someone was to say, 'We're going to criminalize Marijuana usage because it'll predominately affect black communities' followed by a law that says 'Marijuana is now illegal' are you insinuating that the policy would not be racist?

Rhetoric in many cases informs policy and vice versa. You can't just say they exist in a vacuum when the reason why the visa ban occured was on racial pretenses.

Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by word-reader on Thursday August 22, 2019 @07:02PM (#20773164)
Muslims aren't a race, the affected countries were about 10% of global Muslim population, and the countries of concern listed in the travel ban were designated in late 2015 under a different administration.
Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by vinniejames on Thursday August 22, 2019 @02:31PM (#20771050)
Albert Einstein said the same thing about the Bomb, after we dropped it
Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by alkibiades on Thursday August 22, 2019 @04:11PM (#20771922)
obama did just as bad things, most of these policies started under him. people like you just didn’t care
Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by belltaco on Thursday August 22, 2019 @04:26PM (#20772047)
Re:The war inside Palantir: Data-mining firm ties to ICE und... by sremani on Thursday August 22, 2019 @02:37PM (#20771105)
>> concentration-campy

Willful lack of proportion to score political karma points.