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Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by RockIslandLine on Monday August 19, 2019 @12:10PM (#20739007)
"This starts with compensating them fairly and providing important benefits."

So 51% of corporate profits are reserved for the employee bonus pool? And all employees are eligible for said bonuses?

It's not hard to come up with examples of where this fails. Don't give me aspirational pie in the sky. Give me operational policy.

Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by ohthehugemanate on Monday August 19, 2019 @12:39PM (#20739286)
> Don't give me aspirational pie in the sky. Give me operational policy.

See, there are three layers of decision making: vision, strategy, and tactics. You set large aspirational goals first (eg Microsoft "empower every person and organization on the planet to achieve more"), then smaller component strategies ("build the a cloud provider that integrates business intelligence into everything you do"), then the concrete actions to make those srrategies happen ("integrate Active Directory authentication into kubernetes RBAC"). One "vision" level statement spawns many, many "tactics".

When you're dealing on the level of "181 CEOs" from huge companies as diverse as JP Morgan Chase, Johnson & Johnson, and Ford, it is impossible to talk about tactics and strategy. What Ford can do to better serve long term interests of all stakeholders is too different from what Vanguard should do. You are only able to agree on the big vision, and let the units (or whatever smaller more homogeneous group makes sense) work out the strategy level and below.

This is leadership 101 stuff. There are several models of decision-making, but they are all hierarchical in this way. You won't find many media outlets pushing a collective of 181 companies to issue a single press release about the exact on the ground tactics they will all implement, because in this field that's a nonsensical request on par with "but how many packets can apache serve?"

Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by TeMPOraL on Monday August 19, 2019 @12:48PM (#20739363)
Here's the problem though: there are mechanisms ensuring tactics stay in alignment with strategies. But there don't seem to be - at least noticeably - mechanisms ensuring strategies stay in alignment with visions.
Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by whatshisface on Monday August 19, 2019 @12:46PM (#20739345)
Why would all of these CEOs from random companies even be in the same room? In a free market leadership doesn't exist that high, companies aren't supposed to coordinate at that level.
Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by greiskul on Monday August 19, 2019 @12:59PM (#20739463)
“People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices.”

― Adam Smith, The Wealth of Nations

Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by dsr_ on Monday August 19, 2019 @01:26PM (#20739730)
In the USA most companies and corporations are effectively feudal. This is a meeting of dukes and earls attempting to avoid a socialist revolution through coordinated PR, which has been quite effective for the last 75 years or so.

Note that most public companies have institutional investors as the largest component of their ownership; such investors tend to own all the major competitors.

GM: top 5 are Capital World Investors, Vanguard, BlackRock, Berkshire Hathaway, and Harris Associates.

Ford: top five are Vanguard, BlackRock, Newport, State Street, Franklin.

Fiat-Chrysler: top five are Tiger, Harris, Baillie Gifford, Vanguard, Deutsche Bank, FMR.

Looks like Vanguard is certainly in a position to encourage the big-three car manufacturers to work together.

Intel: Tiger, Harris, Baillie Gifford, Vanguard, Deutsche Bank.

AMD: Vanguard, BlackRock, Wellington, FMR, Invesco.

Your CPU choices will make money for Vanguard.

HPE: Dodge&Cox, Vanguard, BlackRock, Primecap, State Street.

Dell: Temasek Holdings, Dodge&Cox, Elliott, BlackRock, Vanguard.

Apple: Vanguard, BlackRock, Berkshire Hathaway, State Street, FMR.

When you buy computers, you make money for Vanguard.

In summary, Tim Buckley at Vanguard can set up a meeting with any group of CEOs at minimal notice. He doesn't actually own much of anything, but the right of ownership for a large percentage of the USA's economy is a thing that he directs.

Or maybe it's Robert Kapito at BlackRock; same deal.

Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by anthonypasq on Monday August 19, 2019 @03:10PM (#20740798)
> but the right of ownership for a large percentage of the USA's economy is a thing that he directs.

Umm, no. Unless you have a very different idea of what "large percentage" means.

Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by JetSpiegel on Thursday August 22, 2019 @10:46AM (#20768648)
Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by vikramkr on Monday August 19, 2019 @03:48PM (#20741142)
In a truly free market, companies aren't supposed to do anything and are more than free enough to coordinate at any level they want if it is beneficial to them with the only checks on coordination and all being game theory situations about the value of the profits that come from breaking away from and undercutting the cartel versus the ensuing loss of profits from the price war or from "punishment" by other cartel members. In a regulated market though, sure, companies aren't supposed to coordinate at that level in ways that violate the law, but this doesn't violate the law.
Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by kyshoc on Monday August 19, 2019 @04:04PM (#20741288)
> In a truly free market, companies aren't supposed to do anything [...] In a regulated market though...

Free market !== unregulated market.

In order for an unregulated market to be a free market, perfect competition is required[0], otherwise you get market failure.

In the real world, we use laws to discourage behavior that leads to market failure.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_market#Perfect_competitio...

Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by vikramkr on Monday August 19, 2019 @04:27PM (#20741470)
Right, and in addition free markets != anything seen in reality. There's no such thing as perfect competition or a real life free market since the textbook definition of a free market requires both no monopoly power and no government intervention. Basically none of your nice econ 101 graphs of perfect competition and everything apply in any sort of meaningful way because of all the absurd assumptions necessary to make them work. If there are two bakers that are producing identical bread in every way, they still wont be in perfect competition since one of them will be physically closer to you which makes for decreased travel time.
Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by jaxn on Monday August 19, 2019 @08:00PM (#20742791)
One specific and highly relevant tactic a group of 181 CEOs could include would be limits to Executive Compensation. Or are they going to continue to receive historically outsized comp packages while redirecting profits from shareholders to things like employee pay and training?
Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by TheOtherHobbes on Monday August 19, 2019 @12:50PM (#20739387)
I don't think "Propose and support legislation to make of all this happen" is really all that challenging as a practical strategy goal.

It's not as if corporations don't do a lot of that already when it's in their interests.

See also: "Actions speak louder than words."

Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by travisoneill1 on Monday August 19, 2019 @12:34PM (#20739230)
This. Whenever someone calls for "fairness" without a formula to calculate I immediately disregard.
Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by sailfast on Monday August 19, 2019 @01:02PM (#20739495)
I agree that operational policy is important, but you're not going to get that (and you don't want it, necessarily) from the Business Roundtable. Rather, you'd want each company to execute on that kind of policy and share experiences.

It is easy to be skeptical here (and I am), but I think it would be folly to disregard the attempt as mere public relations fodder and instead see this as a starting point and continue to follow-up to ensure they're meeting their stated goals. If it's clear they're not, then happily disregard :)

Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by rectang on Monday August 19, 2019 @01:18PM (#20739644)
When would it be clear that these companies are not following up after their statement? How many chances would you give them? Would you ever stop giving them chances?
Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by apple4ever on Monday August 19, 2019 @07:30PM (#20742664)
Wake me up when this starts on Day 1:

Health Insurance 401k (even non-match) PTO

Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by wormseed on Monday August 19, 2019 @12:37PM (#20739261)
Should 51% of losses come out of employees pockets?
Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by TheOtherHobbes on Monday August 19, 2019 @12:47PM (#20739350)
Employees fired during a townturn will certainly have emptier pockets than they used to.
Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by throwaway2048 on Monday August 19, 2019 @01:04PM (#20739517)
losing $1000 hurts a huge amount of people more than a billionaire losing a billion does.

How many billionaires are homeless after their ventures implode?

Re:Statement on the Purpose of a Corporation by FussyZeus on Monday August 19, 2019 @08:11PM (#20742844)
> How many billionaires are homeless after their ventures implode?

Has this happened in recent memory, at all? Because when I was growing up and getting the pro-capitalist America view of things on the regular, I vividly recall that capitalism is all about your success individually, that you risk it all and if you lose, you lose.

Even Elizabeth Holmes, an entrepreneur* who's business not only failed, massively, not only caused a man's suicide, not only lost fortunes both public and private, all without ever producing a SINGLE FUNCTIONING OR USABLE PRODUCT, she left a rich woman if I'm not mistaken.

*I was gonna quote that word here but no, I'm not going to because the mythical status of these people in American society is a joke. Anybody can be an entrepreneur. There are no qualifications and no requirements and you cannot break someone's faith in the "mythical rich 1%" than having them work for one, directly for a year, and see how maladjusted, how emotionally vulnerable, and how utterly dependent they are on subordinates for even trivial tasks.